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Old 04-23-2008, 06:16 PM
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So yea, I did refute it.
But you didn't. Article 5 doesn't apply to them because there is no doubt on weather they are included in Article 4. They aren't.

o 4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:
+ that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
+ that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);
+ that of carrying arms openly;
+ that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
o 4.1.3 Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
o 4.1.4 Civilians who have non-combat support roles with the military and who carry a valid identity card issued by the military they support.
o 4.1.5 Merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.
o 4.1.6 Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
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So did Yassar Arafat.
And my mums great aunt Bertha von Suttner!
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HEY HEY LBJ, HOW MANY BOYS DID YOU KILL TODAY !!!?????

He'll punish Johnson and Nixon too.
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Nope...the US is the number 1 freedom fighter. Go USA!
More like number 1 terrorist state.
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Unless the behavior continues then they will blame Bush for not removing them.
Non-interventionists wouldn't blame him.
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What do you think will happen to the country if we do leave before they can handle themselves?
Civil war. It's gonna happen anyway, unless the US maintains an occupation force in the country to prevent it.
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So yea, I did refute it.
No not so much.

From your link.

"The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation."

They are not included in Article 4.
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No not so much.

From your link.

"The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation."

They are not included in Article 4.
Yes.

You said, "Show me where it says an outside court has to rule."

I provided the exact link where it specifically says an outside court has to rule.

That would be classified as "refuting".
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Yes.

You said, "Show me where it says an outside court has to rule."

I provided the exact link where it specifically says an outside court has to rule.

That would be classified as "refuting".
LOL. Lets try this again. You are missing a key factor. I will bold it for you.

Article 5 states. "The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation."

They are not included in Article 4. Therefore no outside court is needed.
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LOL. Lets try this again. You are missing a key factor. I will bold it for you.

Article 5 states. "The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation."

They are not included in Article 4. Therefore no outside court is needed.
And the rest of article five states:

"Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal."

There is doubt. Thus, they are protected...
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