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Then why aren't we putting these people on trial?

The problem stems from locking people up indefinitely without charging and trying them. Put them on trial.

As to this suicide bomber, it would seem that our ally, Kuwait, screwed things up with a trial that failed to keep a guilty man off the streets. With allies like that, who needs enemies!
So, you want to treat them with U.S. rights and like common criminals, eh? Who would you bring in for a trial? These people are caught on the battle fields. What else do we need to hold them? This is why turning them over to these other nations---who may sypathize with them is absolutely the wrong thing for us to do.
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Then why aren't we putting these people on trial?

The problem stems from locking people up indefinitely without charging and trying them. Put them on trial.

As to this suicide bomber, it would seem that our ally, Kuwait, screwed things up with a trial that failed to keep a guilty man off the streets. With allies like that, who needs enemies!
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When Obama gets elected president, he can let them all go free, shut down Gitmo, and remove the US from the war on terror, and everyone will live happy ever after.

When the Supreme court makes it illegal, then it's illegal. Until then, keep screaming, no one is listening.
Yeah---and when Obama does that..... and we have another 9/11 or worse, let's see what the Dems say then. After all, they won't be able to blame George W. Bush or Republicans......seeing as how they would most likely have the presidency as well as a veto-proof majority in the Senate. That would be the ONLY nice thing about them having it all; they CANNOT BLAME ANYONE ELSE FOR WHAT HAPPENS BUT THEMSELVES.
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Are you saying that enemy combatants should be captured and thrown in prison for life without ever having a trial?
Keep these 3 letter in mind: W-A-R

When did the prisoners get released during WWI, WWII, and the VietNam wars???? I'll tell ya.....WHEN THE WAR WAS OVER.
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In fact, one of the biggest reasons we even have the Constitution is to protect us from politicians, like the ones we currently have, during times of stress or danger. Yes, some constitutional provisions do mention exceptions, but there are no exceptions specified for simply being “at war.”

Anytime this issue comes up, invariably you’ll find people who claim that the Constitution doesn’t apply to foreigners – only Americans. The important point is that the Constitution doesn’t apply to Americans, it doesn’t apply to citizens, it doesn’t even apply to “people.” It applies to the federal government.

The body of the Constitution tells the federal government just what it is allowed to do. In some places it explains how the government is supposed to do things. The Bill of Rights tells the federal government what it is not allowed to do. Nothing more, and nothing less.

What you won’t find there, is the ability to restrict habeas corpus except in the specific instances mentioned above.

The essential point is that until a suspected “terrorist” receives due process – a fair and impartial trial – you can never know for sure whether or not this person even IS a terrorist! So, even if you think that foreigners shouldn’t have any rights, you still can’t be sure that they’re terrorists without due process – well, unless you trust everything your government does.
Nothing you posted is from any article of the constitution. You simply posted the opinion of someone that agrees with you. So until you can show me where in the constitution it grants any rights to POW's you've yet to prove me wrong.
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Nothing you posted is from any article of the constitution. You simply posted the opinion of someone that agrees with you. So until you can show me where in the constitution it grants any rights to POW's you've yet to prove me wrong.
The Constitution specifically applies to people living in the United States, whether or not they are citizens. It certainly has nothing to do with POW's, and there is no use in looking for it because it does not exist.
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The Constitution specifically applies to people living in the United States, whether or not they are citizens. It certainly has nothing to do with POW's, and there is no use in looking for it because it does not exist.
Let ud keep in mind that the prisoners at Gitmo are not classified as POWs. The White House has chosen to invent a new category so they can detain people forever. That is not exactly the best signal to send while lecturing the world about democracy and human rights. Some may even call them hypocrits..
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Let ud keep in mind that the prisoners at Gitmo are not classified as POWs. The White House has chosen to invent a new category so they can detain people forever. That is not exactly the best signal to send while lecturing the world about democracy and human rights. Some may even call them hypocrits..

Who gives a flying crap what the rest of the world thinks? The US will do whatever is in its own best interest. Period!

The detainees at Club Gitmo should be thanking their dopey god that they are safe in Cuba and not forced to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up somewhere in AfCrapistan.
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Anyone who is an adamant terrorist committed to the destruction of the Western world through the use of violence and radical jihad needs to be held indefinably and does not deserve a trial in court of any kind. But instead of using taxpayers money to hold them there, they should be forced to work for the government making cheap manufactured goods so that they can pay for their own containment. The government should also make a profit out of all those oppressed terroristic workers, to give the taxpayers a break.
So in defense of your freedoms against terrorists, freedoms such as the right to a fair trial, you are willing to give up these freedoms in order to protect them? Sorry, here's me hoping conservatives will use some logic for once, I guess it's my fault I am yet again disappointed.
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Let ud keep in mind that the prisoners at Gitmo are not classified as POWs. The White House has chosen to invent a new category so they can detain people forever. That is not exactly the best signal to send while lecturing the world about democracy and human rights. Some may even call them hypocrits..
Doesn't really mater to me what fun what you want to call those prisoners or war who are currently being held in Cuba. The fact still remains that they are not, and have not, and will never be US citizens and as such receive no rights from the constitution. Moreover not being a POW just means you don't have any rights granted by the Geneva convention either.
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So in defense of your freedoms against terrorists, freedoms such as the right to a fair trial, you are willing to give up these freedoms in order to protect them? Sorry, here's me hoping conservatives will use some logic for once, I guess it's my fault I am yet again disappointed.
We should all thank president Lincoln for using the same tactics, give up some of your freedoms in order to protect them. Had he not taking away habeas corpus in Maryland and maybe Kentucky, they would probably have joined the Confederacy and significantly increased their chances of out lasting the Union forces. Of course he was the first Republican president, so we do have a history of doing this, but keep in mind that these people are not citizens or residents of the United States, and the freedoms protected by the Constitution are different. Do you think that enemy soldiers on US territory have the right not to be killed because the Constitution gives everyone in our country the right to life?
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