It has always amazed me how the mentioning of Saddam's army of Terrorist has been kept out of the media. Once again showing that the main stream media's support of the lies propagated by the Liberals to hurt America. The Fedayeen was the largest terrorist group in the world. Al qaeda was a boyscout troop compared to the Fedayeen. Saddam's son Uday created this terrorist group in order to keep Saddam's regular army in line, like the SS in Germany, but most of all to commit terrors attacks, both in Iraq and around the world.

Remember the school rooms full of bomb vests that where found when the American troops rushed Baghdad. These were for the Fedayeen, Saddam's army of Terror's.

The Fedayeen, "Saddam's men of sacrifice", where grounds enough to go to war with Iraq. Go to war before Saddam had a chance to unleash the Fedayeen on the world.

Here are a couple of link's for starters:

Fedayeen

"Saddam's men of sacrifice"

Such an important subject for discussion and yet no posts. How come conservatives never use information about the Fedayeen to defend the going to war debate?

Probably because it’s an invalid argument, and most ppl don’t have the luxury of being able to quote an article from five years ago, and an article from a website which is set up document Saddam’s supposed support for terrorism, without sounding desperate.

That said none of the sources you mention, claim this group would be ‘unleashed on the world’ as you put it, so I’m really struggling to see what your point is!

This was a paramilitary group and was set up as another means of control against the Iraqi population and latterly served as a sort of home guard against invasion.

I can’t speak for other places, but in the build up to war; this group were mentioned in the U.K media, as a potential stumbling block for the Allies. However this group has been no more since Baghdad was taken, so it seems ludicrous to talk about them now as it really is old news.

B/C its a invalid arguement for the invasion of Iraq. Espically since 100's of ex-yeens work very closely with the 4th and Blackwater. On at least 3 occasions I air dropped supplies to them along with Blackwater troops working side by side. Or do you support the theory that the US military and Blackwater employs terrorists to do their bidding?

What you say has merit. There are many different parts of groups that where controlled by Saddam and his son's that turned on the regime in favor of the US. This does not take away from the fact that before the war the Fedayeen was being groomed and trained to do terrorist acts against the world. Just goggle Fedayeen and read the endless stories on what they were up to before and after the war started.

This is what has baffled me for the last 7 years, that when ever Democrats say that Saddam had no ties to terrorism the Republicans only use minor details about his involvement with terrorism. Where any individual can Google and read the endless examples of Saddam's involvement. Saddam after losing the bulk of his army in the first Iraq war knew that he needed new ways to attack his enemies, and that was through the Fedayeen.

There has been statements by those high up in the armed forces that said they underestimated the Fedayeen. You can also Goggle this, and the other articles on what the FBI found out after they studied papers found in Iraq on the Fedayeen.

I wish I had the time to pull up the articles on their training camps for outside forces before the war started. You could Google it and read it for your self. What percentage of the insurgency is run by the Fedayeen?

I posted this not for Liberals, because no amount of evidence can ever change a liberal mind. a liberal mind is unchangeable. I was hoping that some conservatives who have had their minds fogged from stiffing "Liberal koolaid farts" could use the fact that the Fedayeen was the potential WMD's of the future for Saddam.

I say again, the Fedayeen where the potential WMD's for the future under Saddam.

I agree with your assesment that Fedayeen Saddam was a brutal, dominating force in Iraq for about 8 years, but I think you are giving them way to much credit.

Fedayeen Saddam at its height had about 25-35K "enlisted members", all which were extremly poorly trained, and lacked any type of military bulk (a AK47 and RPG at the most). Most were chicken(*)(*)(*)(*) civilans from Baghdad or central Iraq who wanted to be part of something, Almost all of their operations were conducted in Iraq, 90% of those operations being smuggling runs on the Iranian border and taking part in pointless tasks such as destroying the prostution lifestyle by killing whores.

To say the Fedayeen Saddam was any threat to the US or its allies in 2003 is a extremly off basis conclusion in my humble opinion.

Once again what you say is true except for the potential treat of those within the Fedayeen for missions of terror. Once again I say Google up about the FBI findings on Fedayeen terrorist plots.

When I read your description of the Fedayeen above it sure sounds like the Taliban with Al Qaeda as their masters. "Pointless tasks", sorry that is such a stupid statement. Intimidation and murder are not "pointless task's. They are the same Evil task's of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Read the reports on the leaders of the Fedayeen that joined and helped Al Qaeda in Iraq. Look at the photo's of the school room's full of bomb vests that were meant for US forces and Iraqis. If you have a force in place, that are of the same makeup as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, then you have the potential for a terrorist treat.

I know all about the Fedayeen Saddam (I spent 4 years in Iraq), but I think you are wraping the term "Fedayeen" in several different groups of people. Fedayeen Saddam was directly under Uday, Qusay, and Saddam. There are dozens of other Fedayeen groups in and outside of Iraq (Iran, Palastine, Syria) with completly unrelated goals and affilation. You can't take it upon yourself to give Saddam all the credit of every Fedayeen militant in the middle east. Secondly, every communist country, every Muslim extremist group, etc has a plan to attack the US in one way or another. You seem to think Fedayeen Saddam would be the group to pull off the next successful major attack on the US, and thats where I disagree with you. I dont think those 25K men were even in the top 10 in terms of a threat.

While I will agree with you they could possibly pose a threat to US or a ally in the future, I dont think it was likely. Im still a firm believer that North Korea in 2003, and still is, the biggest threat to US allied security. Its debatable, I know, thats just my feeling.

Because you had been over in Iraq I respect you. But you are not reading what I am saying, you are only stating what you know. I said your description of the Fedayeen under Uday sounds just like what some would say about the Taliban under Al Qaeda. That they were just oppressors and not a danger to anyone.

Just like what liberals say, that those that down play the danger of individuals or groups, are truthful people, and those that up-play the danger of these same groups or individuals, are liars and Evil doers. There is something seriously wrong when one is judged wrong because they see things as a little more dangerous, and that those that say, "just ignore them and they will go away", are truthful good people.