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Old 06-14-2006, 10:37 PM
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Default hey JP5....

I don't get it.

How does "acting fast" equate with "fraud and mismanagement"?

Where is the logical link between those two concepts?

In any competent administration (like Reagan's, or Clinton's, or just about anyone else but Bushie), FEMA would have been right there doing the right thing at the right time.

Hey, I was in the big earthquake out here in Northridge in '94. FEMA was Johnny-on-the-spot back then, they were on the scene within three days. And FEMA seems to have performed admirably during hurricane Andrew back in '92....

So, what happened?

I'll tell you exactly what happened. George W Bush got his grubby little paws on the agency, gutted it, and fed the remains to one of his incompetent political cronies. And then fired the poor guy when it came down to a choice between him or Chertoff.

And you want to blame this one on "popular opinion"?

Nice try. Feel free to try again, but do take off the pointy little hat with the tassles before you do.....
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Old 06-15-2006, 10:20 AM
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FEMA also performed very well during hurricanes in Florida last year as well as 2002 and 2003 and 2004. And Houston last year. Or in your rush to hate Bush did you forget that?
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Old 06-15-2006, 10:58 AM
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Reducing the liberal argument to its essentials here, we are not supposed to look too hard at the billions utterly wasted by Dems to support five generations of welfare deadbeats, but instead we must concern ourselves with large-scale accounting techniques.

Leftists soon forget how much they've wasted on the phony "global warming" issue, or passing out condoms while concurrently teaching that we must give in to our baser instincts, we're just helpless slaves of our own lusts and repression is bad and maybe my psychiatrist and group-therapy group will be upset with me if I ever voted for conservatives, and besides that my cat studied feng shui and tells me through my Bubba Bobb-Head Doll that by God and by groupthink, I will (as a good lockstep liberal) forget all that stuff about accountability. I mean, these people had a right to steal, yes, libs?

Even under the Democrats (yes, even under those pitiable vile poltroons), our Government Accounting Office and the various Inspector General's Offices of the various agencies *ALL* operate at a disadvantage in time-critical situations. They have to work in retrospect. They can't strap Halliburton (or even any of the rip-offs associated with Katrina) into a polygraph, *BEFORE* the contracts are let.

People got caught and are still getting caught for these rip-offs. You act as if catching crooks is a bad thing, or are you trying to imply that catching the criminal left is equally also bad?

Sure, there were right-wingers who scooped up some money. Compare that to five generations of baby-makers on welfare. Which party has spent more, and yet accomplished nothing except institute dependency from which their slavish recipients cannot escape?

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme by conservatives, who idealistically feel people have to work in order to receive anything in their lives. Welfare is the liberal Ponzi Scheme predicated on encouraging one welfare brat a year, squirted out on demand by the jobs-protecting Gimmiecrats who will save the bureaucrat long before they'll save the taxpayer.

Study Huey Long and all the other criminal Dems who ran that entire sweltering region as their personal financial game-preserve. Ask the knuckle-draggers who name everything after KKKlansman Robert Byrd, put there because "earmarks" are good --- but to them going back and looking for thieves is somehow bad --- unless you can point it at a Republican. Is that it here for you? Is this the line you take?

You will never find Dems say those who get or have been caught now deserve a permanent lifetime punishment. (No more welfare---ever.) How dare we cut such scum off our expenditure list, or how dare we toss these vermin into a cell? If you're a Democrat, you encourage thievery at the public trough. Any claim otherwise is absolute horseradish.
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What has the GOP ever done to end welfare? Since welfare was started there have been more GOP years in the Presidency than Democrat years. So it stands to reason if they were really against it we shouldn't have it, right? More recently, what has W done to end it? But I guess you are right. It's the Democrats.
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On a radio show I listened to yesterday, they listed some of the ways that FEMA mis-spent money. One of them showed a purchase of a $200 bottle of wine for a party...purchased from a H(oYo)ters restaurant no less, heh heh

It is like they deliberately wanted to add insult to injury.
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FEMA also performed very well during hurricanes in Florida last year as well as 2002 and 2003 and 2004. And Houston last year. Or in your rush to hate Bush did you forget that?
Nope, my memory is just fine, thank you.

How about you?

Do you remember a little thing called DHS?

Remember the "consolidation" that supposedly occurred under Chertoff, and then under Negroponte?

Yeah, yuk yuk - excellent - we'll just put FEMA under the umbrella of the newest and least organized bureaucracy within the White House - that way if anything happens we can blame Brownie.

Dumb and dumberer.

No, my hatred of Bushie and his evil con-men minions has been forged over a long period of repeated screw-ups, completely mindless policy decisions, and rhetoric so full of BS that mushrooms would grow in it.



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I like it. Another equal-opportunity party-basher.

You forgot about Medicare though. That's the one that allows the hospitals to bill the government at four times the rate they'd bill a private citizen.

Really. No kidding.
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What has the GOP ever done to end welfare? Since welfare was started there have been more GOP years in the Presidency than Democrat years. So it stands to reason if they were really against it we shouldn't have it, right? More recently, what has W done to end it? But I guess you are right. It's the Democrats.
I concede your point. Republicans have done tragically little to toss the baby breeders and other moochers off the public teat. Instead, as I'm sure you'll agree, the GOP has addressed corporate-friendly measures which foster job growth and reduction of unemployment (now at a terrific low level).

Lying around watching Springer and gobbling down bon-bons as you wait for the undeclared fathers of your twelve tax deductions to show up with the pizza and eight-ball of crack? Those people thank the Democrats.

The ones who escaped that into meaningful employment and immeasurably increased self-respect? They thank the GOP.

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Lying around watching Springer and gobbling down bon-bons as you wait for the undeclared fathers of your twelve tax deductions to show up with the pizza and eight-ball of crack? Those people thank the Democrats.
That they do. And they vote that way, too. I just think they need to thank both parties!

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The ones who escaped that into meaningful employment and immeasurably increased self-respect? They thank the GOP.
To be fair, one of the major welfare to work moves was made after Clinton's welfare reform plan became law. The plan did get wide GOP support, no question, but the plan itself was Clinton's.
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I like it. Another equal-opportunity party-basher.
Don't wet yourself there. I have a day's set of monologues I could give about Loonytoonians and the other splinter parties which manifestly deserve their own voters just like major parties deserve to be deprived of their votes --- from either side. How shall we ever bear up under this tragic waste of your vote? Sackcloth! Ashes! Rend your garments! Alas and alack!

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You forgot about Medicare though. That's the one that allows the hospitals to bill the government at four times the rate they'd bill a private citizen.

Really. No kidding.
So? Ever looked hard at an HMO or a combine of hospitals?

And when's the last time you as a doctor had to pay for malpractice insurance, thanks to shyster trash like John Edwards?

Dick the Butcher was right, you know. First we actually do have to kill all the lawyers. They are the last line of defense between voters and Congress.
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