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Old 04-05-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default 3 YALE UNIVERSITY PIGS BURN AMERICAN FLAG

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news...._id=7576&rfi=6

Hyder Akbar Said, 23, Nikolaos Angelopoulos, 19, and Farhad Anklesaria, also 19, arrested on charges including first-degree reckless endangerment, third-degree criminal mischief, second-degree arson, breach of peace, and conspiracy to commit second-degree arson. These three pigs burned an American flag which did not even brlong to them.
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Anklesaria and Angelopoulos are foreign students. The third pig AKbar is a natuarlized citizen....

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Marc Suraci, 37, owner of the two-story house on Chapel Street where the flag was burned, was upset when informed of the incident by the Register.

He said he always puts flags out front of his rental properties.

"It makes me sick to my stomach to think that someone would burn the American flag," said Suraci, who described himself as "very, very patriotic."
We should deport the 2 foreign students and strip Akbar of his American citizenship !![/quote]
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Default not just reckless vandalism Mr. Yale boy Siu, it's a crime

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/ny...on&oref=slogin

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Yale students varied in their view of the flag-burning. “his wasn’t freedom of speech,” said Gordon Siu, a freshman. “It was just reckless vandalism of private property.”
It's more than reckless vandalism Mr. Yale boy Siu, it's a crime !!!!
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Default I suggest that Yale move to NewYork

My suggestion to Yale is that it move to New York. You and your ilk will like it in NewYork, there are idiots in New York, you will feel at home. Move into Yankee stadium where you can live with one of the chief idiots of NewYork -George Steinbrenner.
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I saw this article the other day and was annoyed by the reporter's headline and lead-in. They made it seem like they were punished for burning the flag, per se.


In fact, these students burned another person's flag, on their property, and that was attached to their house. In that case, the charges of arson, reckless endangerment etc are all legitimate.

If, on the other hand, they had burned a flag at a political rally or something, then there should be no consequences. (Sadly, I bet there are people here who disagree. If this applies to you, read the 1st amendment and Texas v. Johnson)
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default you go and read the 1st ammendment !!!!

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I saw this article the other day and was annoyed by the reporter's headline and lead-in. They made it seem like they were punished for burning the flag, per se.


In fact, these students burned another person's flag, on their property, and that was attached to their house. In that case, the charges of arson, reckless endangerment etc are all legitimate.

If, on the other hand, they had burned a flag at a political rally or something, then there should be no consequences. (Sadly, I bet there are people here who disagree. If this applies to you, read the 1st amendment and Texas v. Johnson)
I know that there is no law against the burning of the American flag and I did not express this case as a freedom of speech case.

Having said that I still have the right to think for myself. I also have the right to consider the burning of an American flag for any reason as wrong, wronger than wrong - you go and read the 1st ammendment !!!!
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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Sure, they have a right to burn a flag. They do NOT have a right to burn something that does not belong to them. If this is true, I think they should throw the book at these jackholes.
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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Chill out F100, I was just saying in my post that the article I read on the subject was misleading. In the situation at hand, they committed multiple crimes that should be punished, but the fact that an American flag was burned is inconsequential in the legal sense.

I also think it is "wrong" to burn the flag, and you have the right to say so. However, it is "wronger" to make it illegal to do so; it violates the basic principles of our government. I'm trying to make the distinction between what you and I think and what the government has a right to enforce.

No need to quote the 1st amendment. I know it, and the next 9 amendments by heart.
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Default The federal gov't disagrees with you.

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I also have the right to consider the burning of an American flag for any reason as wrong, wronger than wrong!!!!
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of the United States, it should be destroyed in a dignified manner, preferably by burning. The American Legion and other organizations regularly conduct dignified flag-burning ceremonies, often on Flag Day, June 14.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

This is actually a really interesting read...pretty short, too.
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The act of burning an American flag in America is, at the same time, a dramatic political statement and and affirmation of the very thing that makes America worth defending.
It may be the most poetically efficient expression of political free speech extant.

Love it or leave it.

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