Nice to meet you, DeadCenter.

Is positivity a bad thing? I'm jaded as heck, but we all need to take a step back every once in awhile and think big picture.

Come now. Let civility rule the day. I'm a reasonable man.

This being my first day and sensing that the posters that I'm reading have a general right bent, I thought their flaws were well documented within the threads already. Should I do them individually?

McCain: Not a President. A great senator. His advanced age concerns me.
Romney: Hillary in pin stripes... well, suit-cut pin stripes... well... a man.
Thompson: Absolute lack of substance at this point. We'll see after the debate.
Guliani: I'm sorry, his personal life is far too grievous for me to consider him.
Paul: Love him as a Congressman. Hate him as a president.

Did I miss someone?

Ahhh...didn’t realize it was your first day, I would’ve lightened up my reply... Welcome to the forums.

Of course not, but it’s not everything. And whatever criticisms of the Republicans you have, they’re certainly not running on a negative platform.

And even those on the Left, who want to fall in love with their politicians, are embarrassed to acknowledge they vote on emotion and not thought. So even if that’s how you want to look at it, I would keep it under wraps if you want to be taken seriously.

If you were a reasonable man in that time, who accepts the doctrine of American universities, Stalin would only be considered “another world leader”...look up the term: “useful idiots”.

Instead of picking apart this ridiculous description of the candidates, I’m only going to suggest you find alternate news/commentary sources. Romney is Hillary in pin stripes!? They are almost complete opposites.

...oh and...as with the majority of mainstream internet discussions this forum leans mod-Left.

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The Solution for Illegal Immigrants (Gray areas discussed throughout the thread)

I see referring to the very idea of a path to citizenship as amnesty has occurred enough as to make it "fact". That is dangerous for the Republicans. The right-wing now has the candidates committed to keep any pathway of any kind from forming- lest it be called amnesty... While they're at it they boycott a Spanish language debate aimed at Hispanic American citizens... Looks almost like they want to alienate one of the most important swing votes of this time.

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I won’t call this a lie because you might not be paying attention to Republicans as much as the Democrats (contrary to what many on the Left do).....but you seem to be “MISTAKEN”

Even looking at Romney (who’s the most favored front runner in regards to illegal immigration)...his bottom line is:

What the illegals did was a crime and there should be a punishment...after that...they need to get in line behind everyone else.

I know those on the Left are masters at destroying language, but even you can follow that simple logic. Punishment = No Amnesty. Get in line behind everyone else = No special path for illegals.

Punishment + Get in line behind everyone else = What the majority of Americans want.

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The Solution for Illegal Immigrants (Gray areas discussed throughout the thread)

I don't mean politically, I mean in terms of my perception of "anything and everything to everyone and no one" in order to get votes. His recent "seeing-of-the-light" on meat 'n potatoes Republican issues that were so conveniently bent the other way when he was a Republican governor of a Democratic state just plain stinks to me. I don't believe him for one second. Not even a little bit. He's a Hillary/Kerry Republican.

That's just my opinion.

Perhaps its just the people that post in the morning.

No, most people realize that it IS fact, and understand the dishonesty of the "path to citizenship" phrase, no matter how many times it is repeated, because their ancestors followed a "path" not involving committing a federal felony by illegally immigrating to the US.

Actually, the democrat hyperpandering of illegal immigrants is dangerous to them, since 80% of the population (your "right wing" ) opposes the felonious "path" they advocate.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken, illegal immigration is not a felony, it is a misdemeanor.

GOP leaders oppose immigration felonyGiven that you’ve not heard/researched that, it is not surprising to see this nonsense:

Amnesty is not giving a punishment to illegal aliens. That’s what the term means, that’s what every law enforcement agent will tell you, that’s what every person who studies the legal system will tell you.

If an illegal alien receives punishment and serves whatever punishment was issued to him/her, they should be allowed to apply for citizenship AFTERWARD. 80% of Americans would want their application to be at the end of the line, but there’s a fraction who don’t.

You’re wasting you breath/finger energy when you rant that illegal aliens should never be allowed to step foot in America ever again. It’s not going to happen. No politician is asking for it.

If you want to calm down, be reasonable, and suggest what you think is an appropriate punishment for illegally crossing our border...then post that suggestion here...TIA:

What constitutes Amnesty? Your ideal penalty/punishment?

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The Solution for Illegal Immigrants (Gray areas discussed throughout the thread)

On Biden not being serious about winning his party's nomination; Youre right, it seems that way. Check out this exchange from a couple of weeks ago:

MR. RUSSERT: Many Democrats who will vote in the primary, Senator, will say “The only way to stop this war, Senator Biden, is to cut off funding. Everything else is small talk, and unless you’re willing to do that, you will not be the Democratic nominee.”

SEN. BIDEN: First of all, let’s speak truth to power here. You need 67 votes to cut that off. All 51 votes will do is delay building these vehicles. And, look, Tim, if you tell me I’ve got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren’t worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20676549/page/4/
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I like Obama, I can relate to him. But given a choice between McCain, Obama and Hillary, I'd take the Clinton duo. They've been there, done that, and can hit the ground running whereas an Obama administration will take time getting up to speed.. and during this time of war, speed and effectiveness is essential.

Hi Ted. Nice to meet you. If I can ask:

1. What about her "being there" did you like the first time?

2. What has Hillary "done that" in the past would lead you to believe that her administration would be good for America or superior to McCain or Obama?

3. Where would she "hit the ground running" to?

Her? uhh.. I fully expect the man to take charge once she gets into office.



edit heh sorry, k I should try to answer that seriously.

Mostly they know how the system works and how things get done in DC, they've proven able to work across the aisle. They have connections national and international. Also, Bill had a successful war that didn't turn into a slowbleed quagmire.