Simple as that?

Although, Rove called Hillary a "tenacious" but "fatally flawed" candidate, if not Hillary then who? Obama?

Certainly, republican candidates can be automatically excluded.

Oh, btw, does this mean Bush leaves in peace and harmony to the charms of his own self and those of his immediate surrounding? heh, good deal...

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Senator Joseph Biden.

As the third place dem, I'm waiting for Edwards to push himself as "the only dem who can win".

Nope...when Obama and Hillary are put on the Democratic ticket (with Obama as the VP)...they’ll lose to whatever Republican is running against them.


Break away from television news and welcome to the real world.

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If anything is going to bite the Crats on the arse, it's this attitude of invincibility.
Strangely it's working well for Hillary, but I don't expect it to work in the general election where independents are crucial.
Obama is not out of this race yet either.

I agree with Ted that Biden's the best man for the job... but he isn't serious about winning.
It seems that Obama is taking up his same talking points on war strategy though which is a positive sign. Frankly I think Biden's plan will be the plan regardless of who wins. Biden's purpose in making it public isn't to win... but to ensure that when we look back we know who was saying it first.

Overall I think Obama has a lot of good leader qualities. His personality is one that will bring Americans together. He has respect for his ideological foes and that goes a long way. Hillary continues to be smug and repulsive- exactly what we don't need.

If Obama doesn't pull it off, I certainly hope the Republicans are smart enough to pick McCain... because quite frankly I don't want Hillary to be my best choice. Please God no.

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Political suicide - his name is now eternally linked with attempted amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens, opposed by the vast majority of americans - how is that smart?

Fred Thompson is the ONLY candidate on the right side that's worth his weight in salt. If I were to pick the lesser of the evils on the left, I'd say it'd have to be Obama, but his political career can be documented on a postcard, it's so small.

Yup, its definitely a killer for him...when a Repub takes a fringe position that only 20% of Americans agree with...and those 20% are further Left than the mod-Left (trying to put it as PC as possible for you bleeding heart Liberals )...it’s going to be tough to get through the primary.

Not to mention his age. I don’t really care how old a person is on paper, but when the old age of a candidate slaps you in the face every time you see him...it’s another big negative. He looks like he’s aged 10 years since the campaigns have started.

I like Fred on most of his issues, but he has no executive experience. Senator, Actor, Lawyer, Lobbist...and then....LEAD, MANAGE & REPRESENT the United States of America?!

That’s not to say he can’t do it, I just haven’t seen anything credible that shows he can. Getting into the race early and showing his true colors would have done that, but it’s a little late for that one.

Yes it’s only a postcard...but look at what his priorities were when creating that postcard:

Obama more liberal than Kucinich, analysis reveals
If your lesser of two evils is a straight up Socialist/Communists politician who talks a lot about “Bringing everybody in together (code speech for “bringing those on the Right over to the Left”)” then your lesser of two evils is much more different than mine.

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You know, I feel bad for the guy. This campaign seems like it's really taking a toll on him, and we aren't even voting in primaries yet.

It's just me, but I look for the kind of qualities that I want in a leader when I go shopping for a president. Their policy (unless it's *really* out of whack) doesn't really concern me. I look for someone that's willing to be positive, that's willing to make a little noise about something out of the mainstream, and that's got what it takes to just plain lead.

Sadly, I see nothing on the right side of the table that makes me take a second look. The Republican candidates all look fatally flawed to me. Likewise for most of the left, but I did take a second look at Mr. Obama and liked what I saw. I love that he had some choice words for the Cuban faction of Florida. Let the free market do what it does best, I say, and I was shocked and excited that he was willing to say it out loud.

I also like the way the man carries himself. I want hope. I want positive action.

Besides, the Congress writes the bills. The President just signs them. Aside from war-making ability (which will be severely degraded next go round no matter who wins), it's much more style than substance. Clinton, Bush I and II, heck all of them are ultimately beholden to what crosses their desk. Both Bush presidents will be best remembered as policy Democrats. Clinton's big policy legacy is welfare reform, something even Bush the 1st said that he wished he could have signed. Primary rattling is all just smoke and mirrors to me.

That's just how I see it.

Interesting...my 12yr old little brother sees it the same way. Like last night, we were watching a political documentary and he was absolutely floored by the statesman who was spotlighted:

“I love this guy,” he said “he’s so charismatic, positive, hopeful, uniting, and energetic. Why can’t WE have a presidential candidate like that. This country would be so much better off...I’d vote for him. <insert lovey dovey jibberish>. <insert lovey dovey jibberish>.”

Well little Johnny, that’s Joseph Stalin. He’s one of the greatest mass murderers of all time. Sure he looks good at the podium, but that doesn’t count for everything.


Wow...your qualifications are: leadership, makes a little noise about out of mainstream ideas, carries himself, has hope, and positive action...and yet all of the Republican candidates looked fatally flawed to you?!

You want to provide any specifics with that? Or you just gonna throw it out there and act like it makes sense?

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