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Old 05-07-2008, 07:35 AM
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I think you meant the Soviets. They would have been helpless without American supplies.

I do agree they were superior to the Nazis. You do know the Soviet Union no longer exists now, right?
really? when did that happen?

So what is Ronald Regan doing these days? Is he still in Office?
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Me: I do agree they were superior to the Nazis. You do know the Soviet Union no longer exists now, right?

really? when did that happen?
About 15 years ago.

If you did not know that, then it does not surprise me that you do not know that America defeated Nazi Germany. You really need to brush up on your history.


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He died. After being re-elected to a 2nd term. The defeat of the Soviet Union was largely credited to him as well.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:33 AM
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If you did not know that, then it does not surprise me that you do not know that America defeated Nazi Germany. You really need to brush up on your history.


There isnt a credibel historian in the world today that asserts that America Defeated the Nazis ALONE!

Germany lost the war because it opened up two major fronts by attacking the Soviet Union. THe Russian front was the biggest killing field for German soldiers (and Russians)

You dismiss the almost 20 million deaths that the Soviet Union sustained at the hands of the Nazis.

How many American were killed in WW2? Less than 100,000 - tragic as that is. You must admit that the Soviet Union carried the biggest sacrifices in WW2. This was only recently recognised by the USA at the highest level when the Russians put together a huge memorial in honor of those killed in WW2.

And as usual the USA takes ALL the credit by joining the War in the final stages (of both world wars actually)

Perhaps you are not reading any history at all - perhaps you are just relying on the stock propaganda that drenches the US public via Hollywood etc

Why didnt the US drop a nuclear device on Berlin instead of Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

Why did the Japanes surrender to the SOviet Union (an american ally in WW2) and this surrender was not acceptable to the americans. Why did the USA then proceed with the nuclear attacks on civilian targets inspite of Japans surrender to the Soviet Union?

Historical accuracy is not one of the strong points of most of the citizens of the USA - not surprising really, considering the massive level of propaganda and distortions that ar dumped ont he US public on a daily basis.

Bit like, the Iraq war isnt it - found any WMD's yet? Have you proven to the world that Sadam fueled te airplanes that crached into the twin towers? Why did the US fund Osama bin Laden AND SAdam Hussein for over 20 years.?

Good luck with the questions - I will give you 6 years to come up with more propaganda


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Old 05-08-2008, 12:46 AM
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Bit like, the Iraq war isnt it - found any WMD's yet? Have you proven to the world that Sadam fueled te airplanes that crached into the twin towers? Why did the US fund Osama bin Laden AND SAdam Hussein for over 20 years.?
Gotta agree with this - I don't think there were any weapons of mass distruction, because from I have heard, Saddam didn't have them, and hadn't for about thirteen years...
I also thought the Iraq war was because Saddam had something to do with 9/11, then that excuse changed, and the US did give money to Osama, that much is known, and I don't know why, eithor - unless Osama wasn't considered a terrorist by the US back then?
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Gotta agree with this - I don't think there were any weapons of mass distruction, because from I have heard, Saddam didn't have them, and hadn't for about thirteen years...
I also thought the Iraq war was because Saddam had something to do with 9/11, then that excuse changed, and the US did give money to Osama, that much is known, and I don't know why, eithor - unless Osama wasn't considered a terrorist by the US back then?

The last two excuses were

1. GOD told Bush to attack Iraq
2. THE US must be there because of Iran

they have had over 6 excuse for invading Iraq - Inclusding OIL security

before the war, over 65% of Americans thought that Sadam was involved with 9/11 attacks

the only country to have this sort of level of delusion - reflects the propaganda system int he US is wroking very well

Almost 1 million Iraqi civilians killed as a result

No wonder the Bush administration is trying to ram through legislation in Congress that will legally protect Bush from any prosecution over iraq

The USA has become a global joke
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1. GOD told Bush to attack Iraq
2. THE US must be there because of Iran
I have heard of the first one, but not the second.

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they have had over 6 excuse for invading Iraq - Inclusding OIL security
I haven't heard the oil excuse, but if this the case, and there have been six excuses as to why we invaded Iraq, doesn't this mean that the Bush administration need an excuse to escape scrutiny and possible prosecution?

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before the war, over 65% of Americans thought that Sadam was involved with 9/11 attacks
Any ideas of what the belief is now? Has it changed, stayed the same, etc?

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No wonder the Bush administration is trying to ram through legislation in Congress that will legally protect Bush from any prosecution over iraq
I am hoping someone can confirm this one for us - if it is true, then I think someone knows they are guilty...
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The reason why we got into Iraq is simple. We thought they had WMD. Every major intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMD. And so we invaded them in pursuit of those weapons. But they weren't there. We toppled their leader, their government, and made their country more unstable. This is the reason why we have to stay in Iraq. We can't just leave when this is our responsibility and let them all kill each other (though they were doing that to an extent before we came too). Until the country, and even the entire region, is stable and functioning, we have to stay in Iraq.
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You dismiss the almost 20 million deaths that the Soviet Union sustained at the hands of the Nazis.
When did I do that?

All I said was that Amercia was the pivotal force of WWII.


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How many American were killed in WW2? Less than 100,000 - tragic as that is. You must admit that the Soviet Union carried the biggest sacrifices in WW2.
They also made the biggest mistakes...allying with the Nazis for example.

They were ALLIES with a nation whose main goal was to wipe out all communists...what the hell did they THINK was going to happen? heh heh


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Why didnt the US drop a nuclear device on Berlin instead of Hiroshima or Nagasaki?
Germany was so weak that conventional forces were sufficient to bring them to heel. I explained that already.



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Why did the Japanes surrender to the SOviet Union (an american ally in WW2) and this surrender was not acceptable to the americans.
We accepted that they surrendered to the Soviets. Please post your evidence to the contrary.

Surrendering to the Soviets was insufficient. We required them to surrender to us.


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Why did the USA then proceed with the nuclear attacks on civilian targets inspite of Japans surrender to the Soviet Union?
They were not civilian targets. Would you like me to post the wikipedia evidence again?



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Historical accuracy is not one of the strong points of most of the citizens of the USA
If so, you seem to have at least one thing in common with us.


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Bit like, the Iraq war isnt it - found any WMD's yet?
We don't have to...now.


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Have you proven to the world that Sadam fueled te airplanes that crached into the twin towers?
It is irrelevant at this point. The threat is removed. We got our way.



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Why did the US fund Osama bin Laden AND SAdam Hussein for over 20 years.?
Because the faction that was in control during that time was short sighted and stupid. But they have been replaced by a better one.


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The reason why we got into Iraq is simple. We thought they had WMD. Every major intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMD. And so we invaded them in pursuit of those weapons. But they weren't there. We toppled their leader, their government, and made their country more unstable.
The present-day Iraq is still preferable to a Saddam-controlled Iraq.
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The reason why we got into Iraq is simple. We thought they had WMD. Every major intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMD. And so we invaded them in pursuit of those weapons. But they weren't there. We toppled their leader, their government, and made their country more unstable. This is the reason why we have to stay in Iraq. We can't just leave when this is our responsibility and let them all kill each other (though they were doing that to an extent before we came too). Until the country, and even the entire region, is stable and functioning, we have to stay in Iraq.
Sorry but this is repeated over and over but it's not true. Every major intelligence agency in the world did not think Saddam had WMD.
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Sorry but this is repeated over and over but it's not true. Every major intelligence agency in the world did not think Saddam had WMD.
http://www.cross-currents.com/archiv...ush-didnt-lie/
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/archi...03_May2003.htm
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15925

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