Bush Reading Program Ain't Done No Good - Page 2

JavaBlack · #11 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Anikdote

Is also worth taking into consideration that not all children are going to take to a normal educational system and no matter how much money you dumb into the system, it will not change. Education starts at home, if parents aren't involved in a childs education, there is very little teachers/beaurocrats can do about it.

It depends. As long as the parents aren't actively attempting to pit their kids against education, it's possible for the right program and the right teacher to open up the kid to the possibilities. This is especially true when the parents are just ignorant rather than hostile toward education... as is often the case.

But it still holds true that it's not about how much money there is. A certain amount of money is a prerequisite, but it is no guarantee of a working program.

ABoyNamedSue · #12 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 06:10 PM

This whole thread just proves that government-run schooling is worthless.

Privatization of schools is the only solution, along with the banishment of teachers' unions.

Anikdote · #13 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

This whole thread just proves that government-run schooling is worthless.

Privatization of schools is the only solution, along with the banishment of teachers' unions.

I agree. 100%.

akc814ilv · #14 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

This whole thread just proves that government-run schooling is worthless.

Privatization of schools is the only solution, along with the banishment of teachers' unions.

Then we end up teaching our kids about religion instead of things that actually matter like Science.

I dont agree with you at all.

ABoyNamedSue · #15 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by akc814ilv

Then we end up teaching our kids about religion instead of things that actually matter like Science.

I dont agree with you at all.

I didn't say PAROCHIAL schools. Furthermore, your ignorance supercedes you. Parochial schools teach science as well. They even teach (gasp!) creationism.

f0ca1 · #16 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

This whole thread just proves that government-run schooling is worthless.

Great racket conservatives have: run the government like crap and then say "look, the government runs like crap."

akc814ilv · #17 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

I didn't say PAROCHIAL schools. Furthermore, your ignorance supercedes you. Parochial schools teach science as well. They even teach (gasp!) creationism.

Then I misunderstood what you were saying.

If I did then my bad.

MANY religious schools here though actually DO discredit science.

Ozek · #18 (**permalink**) 05-07-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by akc814ilv

Yeah exactly...

In general im fiscally conservative, so naturally I want lower taxes and low government spending (there are a few issues I support government spending on though, and therefore im not always Conservative on fiscal issues.....Universal Health Care for Children for one)

However if your going to lower taxes...well thats fine. But you HAVE to keep spending low as well or else your going to get into trouble. I believe we are seeing the results of that in our nation.

If you plan on doing alot of spending, then make sure you have enough money coming in to foot the bill.

You cant have it both ways though. You cant spend alot and have no money coming in. Its just simple mathematics that if you put the two together it just doesn't work.

In real life if you go try to buy stuff without any money they will tell you to get lost. I guess in Government though you just invent some money or something lol.

I agree except that in real life, government just borrows money from our future and spends it. The same is true for probably half the country's consumers, they spend using their credit card and pay it back "later".

In my opinion congress should get exactly 20% of the entire adjusted gross pay for the entire nation as taxes and have that to spend, and they cannot spend a penny more than that without a 9/10ths vote in both house and senate. But that will never happen, so the debt will continue.

ABoyNamedSue · #19 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by akc814ilv

Then I misunderstood what you were saying.

If I did then my bad.

MANY religious schools here though actually DO discredit science.

Then times must have changed, because both my grade & high schools were parochial, and they both taught the whole gamut of sciences. They also taught evolution at every level as well. The only difference is that Parochial schools taught that God "got the ball rolling," that's all.

There's been tons of evidence supporting the notion that government schooled children fall behind privately schooled children (on average), as far as education. Those schools are just run better, employ better teachers, and have to prove their value, in order to attract parents to send their kids there. The government just commands school attendance based on districts, so even the absolute WORST government schools (by laws of deduction) still have full enrollment.

akc814ilv · #20 (**permalink**) 05-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

Then times must have changed, because both my grade & high schools were parochial, and they both taught the whole gamut of sciences. They also taught evolution at every level as well. The only difference is that Parochial schools taught that God "got the ball rolling," that's all.

There's been tons of evidence supporting the notion that government schooled children fall behind privately schooled children (on average), as far as education. Those schools are just run better, employ better teachers, and have to prove their value, in order to attract parents to send their kids there. The government just commands school attendance based on districts, so even the absolute WORST government schools (by laws of deduction) still have full enrollment.

My wife attended a religious school and told me that they were never even presented with things like the theory of evolution, big bang theory etc.

She said she learned about them after she was out of school.

It probably just depends on what type of religious school you are attending I suppose. My Mom attended Catholic school growing up and although it clearly leaned towards biblical teachings as fact, alot of the other stuff was at least presented.

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