So my point still remains true "regardless of how democratic or autocratic a country may
be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies."

Only if it turns out to be correct. ALL countrys and nations are or could be a oligarchy
so then the question is, why do you think your country is immune to it?

Myself, I think it's debatable if any democratic nation can fall to oligarchy if
built correctly.


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I am not the one who is deluded by internal propaganda that the USA is a democracy. You are advocating that stance - AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.

So your counter argument now is that ALL democracies turn into Oligarchies because a circus clown said that 100 years ago and now youre repeating those words to justify the non-democratic nature of the USA ?

Well done! At least you have moved from your original stance claiming that the USA is a democracy. All you need to do now is look carefully and long into the mirror and accept the USA for what it is and what it has done on the international stage over the past 60 years in particular.

That will be a very strong and postive step forward for you, seeing as it is you that is claiming to be a proof hunter
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OK Fool, let's set this straight.

The US is a democracy by definition. That is, we have defined the modern meaning of democracy by the system of government outlined in the Constitution. It is in no way a Greek democracy, which is what you are referring to by "democracy." Madison explained why a Greek democracy could not work on a large scale and still protect the freedom of the individual in Federalist No. 10, which I suggest that everyone here read now.

http://www.foundingfathers.info/fede...s/fedindex.htm

I know that you, Fool, are just going to say that Madison was a circus clown and that we shouldn't listen to anything he says because he is old, but for the rest of us, this should be an enlightening piece of writing.

The protection of this freedom was the goal of the American experiment in democracy; none of the founders wanted a "mob rule" situation which was demonstrated by the actions of the state of Rhode Island and its fiasco with paper money and confiscation of private property by the masses. Indeed, the example of Rhode Island was one of the reasons why people saw that the Articles of Confederation had to be revised, or gotten rid of.

The purpose of democracy is to protect the rights of the individual, against the masses if need be.


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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

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There is ONLY ONE defintion of democracy.

It has its roots in ancient Greece and is clearly defined by the ancient Hellenic free thinkers.

If you wish to claim some modern version of what democracy is and apply it to the US state then call it accurately by what it is - ie something else altogether.

Say an Oligarchy for example.

But dont now hijack the term democracy from the ancient Greek context and claim it as somehow applying to the way the USA runs its internal and external affairs.

Are you really a WHITE FOX?

You can't just prove something on terminology alone, you have to define and use the terms. The US has been a democracy since we began to call the system of government outlined by the constitution a democracy. This is how we define the term today. If you wish to use different terms, then define them, but know that it is the definitions and not the terms themselves that matter. I wouldn't care if we called the system of government in the constitution an oligarchy, it would still be the Constitution. You, however, are trying to use the negative connotation of the word "oligarchy" on the system of government in the US. Perhaps you do not like the system, but it is still a democracy, if not a Greek democracy.


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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

The USA has never been a Democracy

The USA has been a Slavery based Militant State for the most part and then turned into its current political manifestation - A Plutocratic Oligarchy

I suggest that you write to some of the reputable politics departments in the USA's many Universities and ask them what term best decribes the political system in teh United States. And I can assure you that they wont be saying a DEMOCRACY.

The word democracy has a very specific defintion - you need to understand what the 2 words that make up this term really mean in isolation and when glued together.

"demos"

"kratia"

Both words are Greek, Both are over 2400 years old and when put together they define a politcal system of collective organsiation -

AND THAT PLITICAL SYSTEM IS NOT FOUND IN THE MODERN US STATE - you can scream all you want on this one.

You have gone from saying that the USA has always been a democracy (which is untrue) to saying that there is a modified defintion of democracy which applies to the US only.

And we all know why you have done that - DONT WE WHITE FOX!

You cant admit that you are wrong so you take a stance where you change the defintion to suit you argument.

There is also a Greek Philosopher who coined a phrase that describes this sort of cowardly tactic.

DO you know it?

I DID NOT CHANGE THE DEFINITION, THE DEFINITION WAS CHANGED IN 1789 BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS, PARTICULARLY MADISON.

Please, read the Federalist No. 10, and then comment on that.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

Incidentally,WHITE FOX, the word Oligarchy is ALSO a Greek word.

Maybe you can modify its Greek definition and apply it in a more distorted way to the un-democratic system in the USA???

SO now American forefathers are re-wirting the Greek language.

Is there Anything else you wish to plagierise and distort to fit the American way of thinking?

Youre digging a HUGE hole for yourself WHite Fox

And we know that in nature Foxes are very clautrophobic (another Greek word - maybe we could change the definition of that word too)

I started a thread just for you, Fool. Federalist No. 10, the Greatest Piece of Writing on Politics in History

Pay close attention to what Madison says about Greek democracy.

Because of this, we have referred to Madison's system of government as being a "democracy." It is not a Greek democracy, and it is preferable to a Greek democracy. Try reading a credible source about the meaning of the word with reference to the Constitution.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

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