PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSALITY: 'the same standards apply to everyone in every sistuation'.

what does the 'PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSALITY' have to do with whether sadaam or the US have killed more iraqis?
if you're arguing a death is a death no matter the reason,
you're wrong as usual.
the US kills civilians accidentally while targeting combatants.
sadaam killed anyone who disagreed with him.
usually in the worst and more terrifying way possible.
BIG difference.

at least our propaganda system works,
whatever one you use seems to suck an awful lot.

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Why did you create this thread? we already answered this stupid question.

Please don't link the words "patriotic" and "Australian" together.

Patriotism is a nasty form of bigotry that our American cousins are fond of - but personally I want no part of it.

Sure, I'd turn gay for Warney if he asked me - but I don't want to ever be described as "patriotic".

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At least you admit that the US public is drenched with propaganda.
I must give you credit for admitting that in public.

My main problem with the USA is its foreign policy and military actions carried out all over the world - especially since WW2.

I have no problem with the ordinary American people. Most of my relatives live in the US, My brother lives in San fransisco with his family and I have worked and travelled there on many occassions - I know what the US is about.

The USA's internal political system (not a democracy) and its economic and social structures are a matter for the people of America to determine.

Foreign Policy however is a different matter and involves everybody.

Trying to marginalise me by claiming all tis ANTI-AMERICAN slande just doesnt make any sense to me. Are you saying that I cannot have an opinion on American foreign policy and that opinion must be based on hatred because you dont like the questions I pose or the arguments I present?

Well, present counter arguments, facts and data o support your own stance. Simple!

It reminds me of people taking out the ANTI-SEMITIC race card when you criticise the actions of the Israeli defense forces in the occupied territories. They even accuse you of being a holocaust denier (whatever that really means) when you havent even mentioned anything about the holocaust or WW2.

Strange forum this one! Some very sensitive people here, claiming FREEDOM OF SPEECH doctrines but ONLY if the comments made by people agree with their own.

PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSALITY: The USA ignores that when instructing its vast military machinery to act all over the world.

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Perhaps this is relevant.

Definition of Patriotism:
from http://www.brainyquote.com/words/pa/...tic200137.html

I wouldn't link it to bigotry or America even though thats were you mostly associate the term with. Its simple a love for ones country and its not specific to a single country. So Foolosophy could be a patriotic Australian.

every political ad, candidate speech,
or car commercial is designed to make the target audience believe something.
and with hundreds of tv channels, and thousands of politicians,
yes, America is drenched in propaganda.
not to mention the baseless foreign propaganda that can often be foound on internet forums.

US foreign policy reflects US interests and agendas.
just like every other countrys does.
and yet, it is met with hypocritical indignation from nearly every other country in the world.
what do you suppose Australia would be doing in the world if IT was the only superpower?

you don't pose questions,
you only 'present' arguments.
the threads and posts you make are designed to pick a fight with Americans.
you can obviously have an opinion on anything you want,
but when Americans respond,
stop claiming we're trying to violate your free speech or 'marginalise' you because you disagree with us.
you're obviously getting exactly what you wanted.


yeah, i'll get right on that.
i'll track down all the 'unnamed sources' and anonymous 'insiders' that contribute so much to your claims.

want some cheese to go with that whine.
don't start nuthin',
won't be nuthin'.

so the US shouldn't use it's military,
because no one else has a military like ours.
and it's unfair.
i see.
i'll remember that the next time north korea threatens australia.

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Good definition.
zealously and unselfishly devoted to the service of one's country

Do you know where the word "zealous" came from?
The Zealots objected to Roman rule and sought violently to eradicate it; Zealots engaged in violence were called the Sicarii....Zealots are also called the Biryonim meaning "boorish" or "wild", and are condemned for their aggression, their unwillingness to compromise to save the survivors of besieged [Jerusalem], and their blind-militarism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealotry
sounds like terrorism to me. That is the sort of "patriotism" that allows people to think that the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians as a result of an illegal and unprovoked invasion is somehow acceptable. The sort of "patriotism" that allows people to think that torture is acceptable.

Is is all too painfully obvious on these boards that there are some Americans that seem to think that the needs of their countrymen come before the rest of the world. That is not patriotism. It is bigotry.

I agree with Samuel Johnson:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

I obviously consider myself extremely lucky to have been born in Australia, and not in other less fortunate countries (such as the USA), but I don't think it is appropriate to take any particular pride in what is merely an accident of birth.

(...and what's with all the flags all the time!?! I frikking hate flag-waving. Burn all flags)

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Words don't have to follow their etymological origins when it comes to their current meanings. Patriotism has nothing to do with terrorism.

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