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in what ways do you believe Jesus was a socialist? To the best of my knowledge, he never advocated STATE control of industry. The best claim you can make is that he was a collectivist, but that collectivism was ONLY to be found within the small religious congregations he established.
didnt he divide up some bread so everyone had a piece? sounds like a commie to me. and he was anti rich, pro poor. total commie. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. jesus punished success not with taxes, but with eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation.
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didnt he divide up some bread so everyone had a piece? sounds like a commie to me. and he was anti rich, pro poor. total commie. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. jesus punished success not with taxes, but with eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation.
James, we are friends so I will rebuke you from that perspective.

Jesus was not a 'commie'. He never proposed that the government steal from the rich and give to the 'poor'. Jesus hated the Roman government [as well as the Jewish Pharisees] and was a religious purist. There was nothing liberal, or socialistic, or communistic about him.

Jesus was the ultimate Conservative.
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no way, he was all about changing things and not listenin to the old men who were set in their ways. he was all about the people. easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich guy to go to heaven? thats harsh. thats way worse than taxes. thats like guaranteed hellfire forever.
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easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich guy to go to heaven? thats harsh. thats way worse than taxes. thats like guaranteed hellfire forever.
When Jesus said that, he was talking a specific person, a person with a weakness of materialism. Jesus spotted the weakness and identified it in a way that made it clear to the person, or would if they ever open their mind.

To claim he was saying no rich person could go to heaven is just ignorant.
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no way, he was all about changing things and not listenin to the old men who were set in their ways.
That is correct in some ways.

Jesus rebuked Jewish Pharisees who bastardized Judaism and turned it into a legalistic, profiteering aberration. Jesus also clearly said his mission was to reinstate classic Judaism. He even went so far as to call non Jews 'dogs' and 'swine'.


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Jewish people, of course. And anti-government. Much like modern day American Conservatives.


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easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich guy to go to heaven? thats harsh.
Yes, imagine the dilemma for all the limousine liberals ......


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thats way worse than taxes.
It has nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with personal responsibility. [Another Conservative concept]



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thats like guaranteed hellfire forever.
That isn't biblical. But if it were, pretty much everybody would be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.
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Oh, so protecting the right to life, liberty, and property of every individual is tyrannical, oppressive, and evil, right?
Lets take your first point as an example - the RIGHT TO LIFE!

Do US citizens have equal and universal health cover?

How is the "right to life" upheld in the USA when arond 40% of the citizens dont have access to basic health care?

How is the "right to lfe" upheld when the minimum wage in the USA is barely over $6 per hour and has not increased for over a decade, and that over 30 million people live under the poverty line?

How is the "right to life" upheld in the USA when access to education is plutocratically based and effectively shuts out a large proportion of the US population based on economic and class differentiation?

You defend the US social, economic and political system purely based on ideological propagandised garbage -

THE WORLD WATCHES AND CAN SEE THAT THE USA IS INFESTED WITH INTERNAL CORRUPTION AND FANATICAL RIGHT WING FUNDAMENTALISM.

And what will the USA do now, when NOONE LOVES her anymore? What will you do now that youre leader is an international laughing stock? What will you do now when you travel overseas? My american friends stick a Canadian leaf or flag onto their back packs when travelling overseas. They just cannot handle the insults and snickering.

And that attitude is not from ARABS or ISLAMIC peoples around the world. Its from western nations, in Asia, in central america, in Europe - pretty much everywhere.

I wonder why the US is the most disrespected nation on the planet at the moment? Well we ALL know the answer to that one dont we - and its nothing to do with the perceived US democracy or freedom because those principles and rights are an illusion in the USA arent they.

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The right to life doesn't mean that no one can die, but that no one can cause you to die except yourself. If you can't understand this, then there is no point in talking about it.
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When Jesus said that, he was talking a specific person, a person with a weakness of materialism. Jesus spotted the weakness and identified it in a way that made it clear to the person, or would if they ever open their mind.

To claim he was saying no rich person could go to heaven is just ignorant.
Oh I see, so you select the Hellenic philosophy attributed to Jesus Christ and apply it to specific contexts and individuals when it suits you AND then apply other Christian principles to the collective when it suits you.

How convenient - very right wing indeed!

And remember, Jesus rejected Judaism - that's why the Jews didnt support him and allowed him to be crucified by the fascist Roman occupation.

In fact what do you think about the ROman invasion and occupation of that region during that time? Where there any insurgents there? Any terrorists resisting the invasion or occupation? Or where they just freedom fighters?
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