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Old 08-21-2004, 10:38 PM
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If George Bush is worried about weapons of mass destruction, why didn't we go after North Korea whom we know has weapons of mass destruction and is willing to sell their technology to the highest bidder as opposed to Iraq who has none?
I want to know why couldn't we finish in Afghanistan first then move on to Iraq if it was really necessary? We have our military spread out so thin that if we came under attack from another country right now we would be S.O.L.
I want to know why it is so unpatriotic to criticize the president of the United States when we feel he is doing the wrong thing. I will always support our troops because they are the ones that put their butts on the line so that we have freedom of speech and other civil liberties but I do not support that fact that these soldiers have become pawns in Bush's chess game. I have a niece who is currently in the army and I support her with every fiber of my being.
I am not going to support a president who uses fear tactics to achieve what ever agenda he may have.
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Old 08-22-2004, 03:42 AM
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If George Bush is worried about weapons of mass destruction, why didn't we go after North Korea whom we know has weapons of mass destruction and is willing to sell their technology to the highest bidder as opposed to Iraq who has none?
Saddam was more likely to use the technology. And Iraq had already demostrated aggression by invading Kuwait. Hard NK tried to invade the South, they would have made the top of our **** list too.

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I want to know why couldn't we finish in Afghanistan first then move on to Iraq if it was really necessary?
Because Saddam was trying to get WMDs (and at the time we didnt know if he might have already had them). Afghanistan was already under control in the sense that the Taliban government was destroyed.

Our resources are sufficient to handle both conflicts simultaneously IMO.

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We have our military spread out so thin that if we came under attack from another country right now we would be S.O.L.
Oh spare me...do you really believe we would not pull all our forces our of Iraq the instant someone attacked us? Do you really believe anyone would be stupid enough to attack the most powerful nation in history with anything less than nukes? Gimme a break.

The only way we are still vulnerable is to missile attack, and our conventional military cannot provide any real defense against that (not without taking preemptive action). That is why MDS should be a priority. Even if it is only 10% effective, 10% is much better than the 0% we have now.

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I will always support our troops because they are the ones that put their butts on the line so that we have freedom of speech and other civil liberties but I do not support that fact that these soldiers have become pawns in Bush's chess game.
He plays that "chess game" with the consent of Congress and the American People. Why arnt you blaming them?

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I am not going to support a president who uses fear tactics to achieve what ever agenda he may have.
The American People are not robots programmed by the media. They have access to all the same data that you do. The fact that they came to a different conclusion than you does not mean that Bush is manipulating them through fear. Has it even occurred to you that there is a possibility that they feel the fear is justified?
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China is working on North Korea for us because regional stability means prosperity.

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If George Bush is worried about weapons of mass destruction, why didn't we go after North Korea whom we know has weapons of mass destruction and is willing to sell their technology to the highest bidder as opposed to Iraq who has none?
Saddam was more likely to use the technology. And Iraq had already demostrated aggression by invading Kuwait. Had NK tried to invade the South, they would have made the top of our **** list too.

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I want to know why couldn't we finish in Afghanistan first then move on to Iraq if it was really necessary?
Because Saddam was trying to get WMDs (and at the time we didnt know if he might have already had them). Afghanistan was already under control in the sense that the Taliban government was destroyed.

Our resources are sufficient to handle both conflicts simultaneously IMO.

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We have our military spread out so thin that if we came under attack from another country right now we would be S.O.L.
Oh spare me...do you really believe we would not pull all our forces our of Iraq the instant someone attacked us? Do you really believe anyone would be stupid enough to attack the most powerful nation in history with anything less than nukes? Gimme a break.

The only way we are still vulnerable is to missile attack, and our conventional military cannot provide any real defense against that (not without taking preemptive action). That is why MDS should be a priority. Even if it is only 10% effective, 10% is much better than the 0% we have now.

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I will always support our troops because they are the ones that put their butts on the line so that we have freedom of speech and other civil liberties but I do not support that fact that these soldiers have become pawns in Bush's chess game.
He plays that "chess game" with the consent of Congress and the American People. Why arnt you blaming them?

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I am not going to support a president who uses fear tactics to achieve what ever agenda he may have.
The American People are not robots programmed by the media. They have access to all the same data that you do. The fact that they came to a different conclusion than you does not mean that Bush is manipulating them through fear. Has it even occurred to you that there is a possibility that they feel the fear is justified?
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As I remember correctly it was our great and wonderful president who said that North Korea was also part of the Axis of Evil. If you think for one minute that N Korea is less likely to use their weapons then you are kidding yoruself.
We are not done in Afganistan because as I recall Osama is still out there and so are many of his followers, they are just hiding . Until Osama is caught we are not done. To kill the snake you must cut off it's head.
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and there was no good reason to go in there. And don't go and say it needed to be done anyway because Saddam was such a bad and evil person, when there are many other places in this world who have evil and sadistic leaders and we just sit here and watch, but oh wait they don't have any fricking oil do they? Of course the IraQi people want us there. Not
Oh and by the way congress and the American people were duped into this war because our great and industrious leader convinced them that there were weapons of mass destruction. Not all Americans believed there were weapons of mass destruction some believed it was more about oil and lining the pockets of daddy and his friends. Maybe if daddy Bush had done the job right the first time we wouldn't be there at all.
If we are not spread out so thin then why in the name of God are the same people being shipped back over and over again. I live in a state that is home to many of the men fighting over there and these guy are not getting down time and they are not getting out when their service is done. Men and women were still signing up when we went into Afghanistan because they felt they were fighting for our freedom. Men and women are no longer joining in those record numbers because this war is not a fight for our rights and freedom. If we pulled all of our troops out now because we were under attack from someone else this war would have been fought in vain. One thousand of our troops who died when the "mission was already accomplished" would also have been in vain. Because I can promise you if you think that things are going to be great when we pull of there then Texas is not the only place that has a village looking for their idiot. Unless they are looking for two.
I will tell you what is scary is similarities between the atmosphere of fear and division in this country today and that of Nazi Germany.
This administration has done more to divide this country and isolate this country from the rest of the world than any other time in our history except for the civil war. I am proud to live in this country and I am grateful that our fore fathers gave thier lives up so that we have the freedom to speak against our government without being killed, the freedom to worship what ever God we want to or don't want to without fear of retribution. I am not proud of this administration who says I am un patriotic because I disagree with them or use their own religous beiefs to dictate the law in this country.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and there was no good reason to go in there.
He repreatedly refused to cooperate with inspectors. We had every reason to believe he was trying to aquire WMDs if he didnt have them already.

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And don't go and say it needed to be done anyway because Saddam was such a bad and evil person, when there are many other places in this world who have evil and sadistic leaders and we just sit here and watch, but oh wait they don't have any fricking oil do they?
Wow...there was oil in Bosnia?

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Oh and by the way congress and the American people were duped into this war because our great and industrious leader convinced them that there were weapons of mass destruction.
How were they duped? They had access to the same data you had...they just came to a different conclusion.

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Not all Americans believed there were weapons of mass destruction some believed it was more about oil and lining the pockets of daddy and his friends.
But the "some" was a minority. Welcome to democracy.

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Maybe if daddy Bush had done the job right the first time we wouldn't be there at all.
The li9berals would never have allowed daddy Bush to do anything...even after 10 years of broken resolutions, liberals still whine about the war. It would have been much worse in Gulf War 1, especially if he had done it against the will of the UN (and the UN certainly would never have allowed it).

I agree though...Bush Sr. should have ignored the liberals and the UN and gone ahead anyway. Better late than never.

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If we are not spread out so thin then why in the name of God are the same people being shipped back over and over again. I live in a state that is home to many of the men fighting over there and these guy are not getting down time and they are not getting out when their service is done.
None of those people were drafted.

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I will tell you what is scary is similarities between the atmosphere of fear and division in this country today and that of Nazi Germany.
Thats a joke right?

Do you think Nazi Germany would have ever allowed somthing like (the equivilant of) Michael Moore's film to be released to the public? Spare me. The liberal view is very well known in this country.

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This administration has done more to divide this country and isolate this country from the rest of the world than any other time in our history except for the civil war.
It's long overdue. The rest of the world (that is, the nations that rely on us for thier defense) have degenerated into naive spoiled children. We dont owe them anything. Most of them owe us.

No one is divided to the point of rebellion...your exaggerations are almost cartoonish.
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