Credibility means not pretending you're seeing what Iraq is like with a hundred troops, body armor, and a few blackhawks for safety.

Did Truman need to be in Nagasaki?

You seem to be comparing apples to oranges. Truman trusted his Generals and Military Intel, Obama does not. Yet, he runs around fat mouthing the situation over there when he doesn't even know what's going on first hand. Where's he getting his information from? Certainly not the military...then who? Is his trusted source Al Jezeera? He's just like all the other senators and congressmen who voted for the war without even reading the confidential Intel report and voted for it anyway. They didn't even take the time to read the report and Obama won't go see for himself, but he's sure poppin off about it. So much for change! Maybe he can see what's going on in his crystal ball, I don't know. I'm waiting for him to tell us the moon is made of green cheese.

Precious little wonder why. Don't let Barak near any guns, he's shooting himself in the foot just fine without one!

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China uses more coal for power than the United States, the European Union and Japan combined.

That's simply BS.

McCain ignored generals shinseki and sanchez, and all the other officers who have gone into early retirement over the Dumb war.

Last week, he said sadr city was quiet, at the same time thousands were protesting and several bombs killed people.


McCain runs over there and causes a whole brigade to spend their day making sure McCain is sheltered from the reality, and then he comes home and lies about the number of troops on the ground.

Proving, as if it needed to be, that simply going to a front doesn't make one an expert, or even in touch with reality.

Yep; McCain's been getting a free ride; running his fat mouth with lies, and rosy pictures of the war we never should have started.

That ends today.

it doesnt need to be intentional for it to be a lie.

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There really is a difference.

I asked for some evidence a few posts ago that shows McCain's intent to deceive, calling for the title to this thread, still nothing. I do understand why.

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China uses more coal for power than the United States, the European Union and Japan combined.

You like to make people jump through hoops and I’m glad no one has jumped at you command to prove something you already know to be true. McCain is out there misstating the troop levels and the conditions in Iraq, conflicting statements on (*)(*)(*)(*)es and Sunni’s (Confusing the two) Stating he is all for Bushes tax Cuts when he's on record as saying "Its an insult to my sense that a president would cut taxes during a time of war" "The army field manual gives are men and women the tools they need to fight terrorism". Come on dude, he's towing the party line now! He’s no maverick!

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EVERY WORD YOU SAY IS A DOOR WAY TO YOU!

You must have misunderstood my question. My question was do you have any evidence (different from inference or innuendo) that McCain intended to deceive with the numbers he quoted?

This would be an example:

Then later he says:

Here would be an example of what one would consider hypocrite:

Then later criticizes Don Imus for his remarks om the radio.

Watch the videos!

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China uses more coal for power than the United States, the European Union and Japan combined.

The fact that it suited his case to give a lower number of troops on the ground.

It was false.

He said it to paint a rosier picture of the war. Check the context.

peabody, we arent mind readers. you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, thats your choice. not naive at all.

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I don't think this is too much of a big deal, certainly not as bad as the fact that McCain honestly didn't know the make up of Al Qaeda or Iran in terms of Sunni/Shia muslims.