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Old 05-30-2008, 10:14 PM
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"We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr City are quiet."[McCain Said]

Obama responded: "That's not true and anyone running for commander in chief should know better."

In fact, U.S. troop levels are not yet down to levels before President Bush's troop increase last year, a strategy shift McCain had pushed for some four years before the president authorized it.

There were 15 combat brigades in Iraq before the increase began. Five were added, and the United States has been reducing numbers since December. As of Friday, there are 17 brigades in Iraq, another brigade will depart in June and the plan is to pull out another in July, returning the level to 15.

Before the increase, there were 130,000-135,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. As of this week, that number was 155,000, and the Pentagon plans to drop that to 140,000 by the end of July.
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Dumbass.

We don't need another idiot who makes up facts to suit his rhetoric.
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And that would be from the guy who has visited 57 states, and only has 3 more to go?
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:27 PM
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And that would be from the guy who has visited 57 states, and only has 3 more to go?
That was clearly a joke.

He said it, smiled, people laughed.


You didn't get it?

Anyway, mcain wasn't joking he was lying.

Or disconnected from reality due to an inferior mind.

Not sure which is better or worse.
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Barack was not joking. He didn't smile, and nobody laughed.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:32 PM
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Barack was not joking. He didn't smile, and nobody laughed.
It's more of a smirk.

And yes, people laughed.


Watch:

Care to address the actual gaffe, made by McCain?
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Haha. I knew you'd post the video and prove my point. Thanks.


I don't think McCain's remark was a big deal. I still haven't figured out the math. 132K + 21K +8K - 3 brigades doesn't add up to 155K. I think you should continue to try to make hay out of it though. When you have a candidate who is constantly saying stupid stuff to include insulting voters, you need all the help you can get. Barack seems like a little kid - "looky looky what he said".
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I don't think McCain's remark was a big deal.
You don't think it's important that a presidential candidate falsely states the number of troops in the war?

I'm sure, based on your harping on the 57-states-joke, that if it were a different candidate, you'd feel differently.

The question now is whether it was an outright lie, or if McCain really doesn't know this stuff.
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Haha. I knew you'd post the video and prove my point.
Some day, conservatives and liberals will look at a piece of videotape and agree on what the hell happened.

Won't be today, because, well, you can't defend McCain's actual gaffe.

And so you say "looky looky what he said."


McCain's gaffe is about matters of war, and like the conservatives here, he doesn't let the facts get in the way of his message.

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A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement with the intention to deceive, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, to protect someone's feelings from getting hurt, or to avoid punishment. To lie is to state something one believes is false with the intention that it be taken for the truth by someone else.

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The title of the thread is "McCain Lies About Troop Levels". Can you cite your information showing where McCain gave his statement, knowing it wasn't true, with the intent to deceive?
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Dumbass.

We don't need another idiot who makes up facts to suit his rhetoric.
Then I take it you're not going to vote for Obama or Hillary, either.
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