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Old 06-10-2008, 10:33 AM
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The U. S. Interstate Highway System that we enjoy today is an Eisenhower legacy. Prior to that, we had to depend on deadly two-laners like Route 66.
You are correct, sir. I misspoke; my apologies. Nevertheless, our roads, bridges and tunnels are still more than 50 years old and in serious need of repair/replacement/upgrade. Mr. Obama's idea is a good one and it will create many middle-class jobs while accomplishing something that needs to be done.

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A large part of the fault lies with ignorant fools who think nuclear power is a Bad Idea.
I have no big issue with nuclear power other than the obvious potential dangers/targets such facilities create. I just think non-polluting renewable energy sources are a smarter, safer, and ultimately cheaper way to go. Might make Americans have to suck it up a bit more than they're willing to, and make some unusual changes in their lives, but we've grown fat and lazy. I think it would do us some good to turn our backs on the traditional finite/polluting energy sources and do something good for ourselves and the planet at the same time. There's no real downside to developing alternative fuel sources, as far as our future energy needs are concerned. I mean, why not increase and expand our energy-creating options, particularly when wind and water power are essentially free?

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Sounds like you've bought into the left-wing lie that started when McCain admitted that he's no economist.
No. My opinion of Mr. McCain's economic prowess is based more on things like his wanting to eliminate gas taxes for the summer. Brilliant idea, that.

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any president needs assistance from economic advisors who, hopefully, know what they are doing.
No argument there. But when the guy who ultimately makes the decisions ignores good economic advice that dropping the price of gas by 15-25 cents per gallon for three months won't do a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed thing, well, that guy is a moron AND a fool.
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You are correct, sir. I misspoke; my apologies. Nevertheless, our roads, bridges and tunnels are still more than 50 years old and in serious need of repair/replacement/upgrade. Mr. Obama's idea is a good one and it will create many middle-class jobs while accomplishing something that needs to be done.
B. Hussien Obama will do what liberals always do. He will raise taxes, increase regulations, which will drive the cost of business up and that will drive the cost of goods up and that will force wages to go up and with no increase in productivty and that will cause the value of the money to go down and we will return to the stagnent economies of the 1970s, which was before my time but even my Dad said it sucked and he is about as liberal as an American can get.



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I have no big issue with nuclear power other than the obvious potential dangers/targets such facilities create.
This means that they have no problems with Nuclear power except its existance. Don't plan on this person supporting nuclear power and neither does Obama

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I just think non-polluting renewable energy sources are a smarter, safer, and ultimately cheaper way to go.
Well I think Unicorns are superior to horses in every way. They fly and they've got that super cool unihorn on their heads. The only problem is that there are not Unicorns and that is the same problem that non-polluting renewable energy resources have. They don't exist. There is no solar power that can provide enough current to run a house or business for 24 hours a day, because it gets dark about half of that. SO you need batteries. Batteries go bad and need to be thrown somewhere when they do. POLLUTION!

There is no wind technology that doesn't make unpleasent noise and kill the birds that fly into them, not to mention taking up all that real estate and skyline. POLLUTION!

There is no hydro system which doesn't destroy the habitat of the creatures that live in and around it. POLLUTION!

Hydrogen still costs more to make than it provides in energy, using up petro-energy producing CARBON EMMISSIONS! POLLUTION!

Electric takes oil, gas or coal Petro-energy to charge and thats not to mention the battery thing again. POLLUTION!

These people arent serious thinking people. Every viable energy requires a stored value of power which can be unleashed to provide a temporary state of a high level ouput. That means there has to be some waste in the exhange and that means pollution to those who are defining it. When they started claiming that the very gas we exhale when we breath was a pollutant, it became clear that they were not reasonable people that other reasonable pople could deal or compromise with.

They will always want more and they'll demand that we're bad people if they don't get it. And since no one wants to be thought of as bad people, we will always cave into their demands.

My Dad says I'm overthinking it,but when I pointed out that these people have now forced the price of gas to alomst $5 a gallon and are still suing to stop the building of energy plants and refineries along with the exploration of oil, I think I saw a light go off. But then he changed the subject.
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:51 PM
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B. Hussien Obama will do what liberals always do. He will raise taxes, increase regulations, which will drive the cost of business up and that will drive the cost of goods up and that will force wages to go up and with no increase in productivty and that will cause the value of the money to go down and we will return to the stagnent economies of the 1970s
Wow. Big fan of the slippery slope, eh? (Note: Your use of "Hussien" only weakens your position on, well, everything, by revealing your intense and nutty bias.)

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which was before my time but even my Dad said it sucked and he is about as liberal as an American can get.
Oh. Well, if your dad said it, it must be true.

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There is no solar power that can provide enough current to run a house or business for 24 hours a day, because it gets dark about half of that.
Solar energy is not THE answer. It's one of them. You should do some research on how solar energy compliments existing energy sources. Maybe you could ask your dad.

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SO you need batteries. Batteries go bad and need to be thrown somewhere when they do.
Um. No. Again, ask your dad about how solar power actually works.

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There is no wind technology that doesn't make unpleasent noise and kill the birds that fly into them, not to mention taking up all that real estate and skyline. POLLUTION!
Oh gosh. The poor birds! Maybe we should stop flying planes, too. Speaking only for myself, I can live with wind farms and the free, renewable energy they provide. Used to live a couple miles from one and I always thought it was kind of majestic and impressive.

As for "unpleasent [sic] noise:"

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Virtually everything with moving parts will make some sound, and wind turbines are no exception. Well designed wind turbines are generally quiet in operation, and compared to the noise of road traffic, trains, aircraft and construction activities, to name but a few, the noise from wind turbines is very low. Outside the nearest houses, which are at least 300 metres away, and more often further, the sound of a wind turbine generating electricity is likely to be about the same level as noise from a flowing stream about 50-100 metres away or the noise of leaves rustling in a gentle breeze. This is similar to the sound level inside a typical living room with a gas fire switched on, or the reading room of a library or in an unoccupied, quiet, air-conditioned office. --Noise from Wind Turbines - The Facts
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There is no hydro system which doesn't destroy the habitat of the creatures that live in and around it. POLLUTION!
Dams and hydro plants necessarily damage the immediate surroundings, but ultimately provide more than they destroy. Would you rather we rip all our dams and water delivery systems out so the fishies can live free? Wouldn't THAT destroy the existing habitat of the creatures that live in and around them?

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That means there has to be some waste in the exhange and that means pollution
EVERYthing wastes energy in an exchange. You want to repeal the laws of physics?

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They will always want more and they'll demand that we're bad people if they don't get it. And since no one wants to be thought of as bad people, we will always cave into their demands.
Who is "they?"

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My Dad says I'm overthinking it
Your dad may be on to something, there.

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when I pointed out that these people have now forced the price of gas to alomst $5 a gallon and are still suing to stop the building of energy plants and refineries along with the exploration of oil
Again, who are "these people?"

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I think I saw a light go off. But then he changed the subject.
And I know why. You don't know what you're talking about. Do a little more research, kiddo. Here's a place to start:

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The US will do better in its next election. And the jobs will flood in.
From where?
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From where?
From everywhere. The US, though ever more steeped in religious dogma, is still a country of fairly enlightened and educated people with a fairly good infrastructure. And a majority, albeit barely a majority at this point, speak english.

With an enlightened president at the helm, there is every reason to again invest there.
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Yes the surge in unemployment is bad, but the 5.5% still leaves the United States at full employment.

A lot of people want to make out like the United States is doing really really bad and we're just not. We are doing really well considering that we were attacked and lost more than a trillion dollars from our economy because of that attack. Plus we have had to fight a war half way around the world for seven years and the housing crash and the cost of oil.
Actually it sounds like you've listed a lot of reasons why the economy IS doing really bad. Since 2000 we've seen the crash of the techs, the crash of the real estate market, the banking/credit crises, the worst unemployment and inflation since the 70's-80's, many jobs outsourced, and many retail stores going kaput.

Is there really any single bright spot in this economy to point to? Well, maybe if you're in commodities...

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Since 2000 we've seen the crash of the techs, the crash of the real estate market, the banking/credit crises, the worst unemployment and inflation since the 70's-80's, many jobs outsourced, and many retail stores going kaput.
Uh and we all never noticed?
The economy has been better then good for most of the time since 2000 and is only recently hitting a downer.

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Unemplyoment is at record lows and has been for years...its now at 5.5%!




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From everywhere. The US, though ever more steeped in religious dogma, is still a country of fairly enlightened and educated people with a fairly good infrastructure. And a majority, albeit barely a majority at this point, speak english.

With an enlightened president at the helm, there is every reason to again invest there.
With talk of government control of major industry why would people invest here?
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This is an unusual surge in unemployment, about 1.5% higher now than when Bush took office. Due to a flood of baby boomers retiring, I don't see unemployment being a big problem long-term, unlike during the time boomers were flooding into the job market a few decades ago. More likely there will be a labor shortage in key markets over the next decade. A more pressing problem is stagnant economic growth, which will be made worse by an aging population and rising national debt, the latter of which is result of terrible and irresponsible fiscal policy, both on taxes and spending.
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