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Old 06-28-2008, 11:58 AM
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Angry Is mandela a terrorist

Somethink i have missed!

Did america support the apertheit!!

Wow shame on you!
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The answer to the question is of course he wasn't a terrorist in the same way that those who attempted to kill Hitler and his fascist regime were not terrorists. The point being is that when democratic rights are curtailed and denied to the oppressed, as was the case with blacks in South Africa, the oppressed are left with no option other than to take up arms and overthrow their oppressors by military means. In circumstances like this, it is clearly politically expedient for those powerful actors oppressing the oppressed to label their opponents as 'terrorists'.
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The answer to the question is of course he wasn't a terrorist in the same way that those who attempted to kill Hitler and his fascist regime were not terrorists. The point being is that when democratic rights are curtailed and denied to the oppressed, as was the case with blacks in South Africa, the oppressed are left with no option other than to take up arms and overthrow their oppressors by military means. In circumstances like this, it is clearly politically expedient for those powerful actors oppressing the oppressed to label their opponents as 'terrorists'.
That's true!!

Israel and America label Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists.

When in reality they are just Freedom Fighters!!
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Indeed they are, as are the Iraqi resistance
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That's true!!

Israel and America label Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists.

When in reality they are just Freedom Fighters!!
Freedom Fighters are like Fire Fighters. They want to stomp out freedom as quickly as possible and then encourage prevention so that freedom never has a chance to catch in the first place.

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To regard Mandela as anything other than courageous and the embodiment of strength, not that even these descriptions do him justice, is to deny the world a definition of each.
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The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is what side of the line you're on.

For most Americans, the insurgents in Iraq are terrorists. For many in the middle east, they're freedom fighters.

For the English, the revolutionists were terrorists, for us they're freedom fighters.

It's all subjective.
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To regard Mandela as anything other than courageous and the embodiment of strength, not that even these descriptions do him justice, is to deny the world a definition of each.
Nelson Mandela is a man to be greatly admired and respected.
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The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is what side of the line you're on.

For most Americans, the insurgents in Iraq are terrorists. For many in the middle east, they're freedom fighters.

For the English, the revolutionists were terrorists, for us they're freedom fighters.

It's all subjective.
There are very few "true" freedom fighters; most that are regarded as such simply wish to install another form of tyranny more beneficial to themselves. To simply toss the righteous grab bag of "freedom fighter" over a group or individual is to ignore participation in the killing of civilians, the violation of human rights, etc. Revolutionaries are simply militant interest groups. Engaging in panegyrics over them and their causes should be avoided.
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There are very few "true" freedom fighters; most that are regarded as such simply wish to install another form of tyranny more beneficial to themselves. To simply toss the righteous grab bag of "freedom fighter" over a group or individual is to ignore participation in the killing of civilians, the violation of human rights, etc. Revolutionaries are simply militant interest groups. Engaging in panegyrics over them and their causes should be avoided.
[My bold above] I do not necessarily disagree with you, but so as to seek a balance, is it possible for the reverse to apply: "To simply toss the belicose grab bag of "terrorist" over a group or individual is to ignore participation in liberation from unjust occupation, to fight to recouperate rights that were illegally removed, etc."

If Freedon Fighter is not a valid term, then neither is terrorist. I don't buy either tossing.

I believe that Nelson Mandela, notwithstanding being a leader of an organization that harmed civilians and executed dissidents within its own ranks, stood for and strove for the correction of so many injustices as to deserve the accolade of Freedom Fighter.

Given that, what do we call Hezbollah in the mid-1980's?
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