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Old 12-07-2009, 09:45 AM
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But I think it's really, really important that you don't focus on politically biased "summaries" that are presented by the news media. This bill is 1,000 pages long. As an analogy, let's take the first 1,000 pages of the Bible. I could probably show you in the first 1,000 pages of the Bible two completely opposing viewpoints by taking things piecemeal and highlighting the points that I wanted to make clear. This is exactly what is happening.

One more thing to realize -- most senators have not actually read the bill. What they have read is the official bill summary -- you can find this at http://politivote.com/federal/5188/H...-and-reduce-the; I've copied and pasted it here for your convenience. This is what most people need to know about the bill and what most senators realize the bill to be.

As far as my personal take, I feel that this bill is a step in the right direction to regulate the insurance companies. All of the right wing propaganda about "death squads" is bogus; have you ever filed an insurance claim? These death squads already exist in the form of insurance regulators. I feel that the whole system -- insurance, pharmaceuticals, etc. -- needs to be taken to the cleaners, and although this bill isn't perfect, it is at least a step in the right direction.

Here's the description that your senators see (from politivote.com):
America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Sets forth provisions governing health insurance plans and issuers, including: (1) exempting grandfathered health insurance coverage from requirements of this Act; (2) prohibiting preexisting condition exclusions; (3) providing for guaranteed coverage to all individuals and employers and automatic renewal of coverage; (4) prohibiting premium variances, except for reasons of age, area, or family enrollment; and (5) prohibiting rescission of health insurance coverage without clear and convincing evidence of fraud. Requires qualified health benefits plans to provide essential benefits. Prohibits an essential benefits package from imposing any annual or lifetime coverage limits. Lists required covered services, including hospitalization, prescription drugs, mental health services, preventive services, maternity care, and children's dental, vision, and hearing services and equipment. Limits annual out-of-pocket expenses to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family. Establishes the Health Choices Administration as an independent agency to be headed by a Health Choices Commissioner. Establishes the Health Insurance Exchange within the Health Choices Administration in order to provide individuals and employers access to health insurance coverage choices, including a public health insurance option. Requires the Commissioner to: (1) contract with entities to offer health benefit plans through the Exchange to eligible individuals; and (2) establish a risk-pooling mechanism for Exchange-participating health plans. Provides for an affordability premium credit and an affordability cost-sharing credit for low-income individuals and families participating in the Exchange. Requires employers to offer health benefits coverage to employees and make specified contributions towards such coverage or make contributions to the Exchange for employees obtaining coverage through the Exchange. Exempts businesses with payrolls below $250,000 from such requirement. Amends the Internal Revenue Code to impose a tax on: (1) an individual without coverage under a health benefits plan; and (2) an employer that fails to satisfy health coverage participation requirements for an employee. Imposes a surtax on individual modified adjusted gross income exceeding $350,000. Amends title XVIII (Medicare) of the Social Security Act to revise provisions relating to payment, coverage, and access, including to: (1) reduce payments to hospitals to account for excess readmissions; (2) limit cost-sharing for Medicare Advantage beneficiaries; (3) reduce the coverage gap under Medicare Part D (Voluntary Prescription Drug Benefit Program); (4) provide for increased payment for primary health care services; and (5) prohibit cost-sharing for covered preventive services. Requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to provide for the development of quality measures for the delivery of health care services in the United States. Establishes a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, financed by a tax on accident and health insurance policies, to conduct and support health care services effectiveness research. Sets forth provisions to reduce health care fraud. Amends title XIX (Medicaid) of the Social Security Act to: (1) expand Medicaid eligibility for low-income individuals and families; (2) require coverage of additional preventive services; and (3) increase payments for primary care services. Sets forth provisions relating to the health workforce, including: (1) addressing health care workforce needs through loan repayment and training; (2) establishing the Public Health Workforce Corps; (3) addressing health care workforce diversity; and (4) establishing the Advisory Committee on Health Workforce Evaluation and Assessment. Sets forth provisions to: (1) provide for prevention and wellness activities; (2) establish the Center for Quality Improvement; (3) establish the position of the Assistant Secretary for Health Information; (4) revise the 340B drug discount program (a program limiting the cost of covered outpatient drugs to certain federal grantees); (5) establish a school-based health care program; and (6) establish a national medical device registry.
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But without reform the only way insurance companies would straighten up is if Americans got so fed up with it a large Majority canceled there policies. Which would force the insurance issuers to start giving a quality product.
we could go back to simply paying for care instead of paying for health care policies.
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As far as my personal take, I feel that this bill is a step in the right direction to regulate the insurance companies. All of the right wing propaganda about "death squads" is bogus; have you ever filed an insurance claim? These death squads already exist in the form of insurance regulators. I feel that the whole system -- insurance, pharmaceuticals, etc. -- needs to be taken to the cleaners, and although this bill isn't perfect, it is at least a step in the right direction.
I agree with you, i think its a step in the right direction as well. Lets just pray it actually works
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we could go back to simply paying for care instead of paying for health care policies.
We could do that yes, but when you have a serious injury, that you cant afford to pay, myself and other tax payers will have to pick up the bill, i just dont think that is logical.

If the care provided was affordable, I would be all for it. My daughter spent a night in the hospital and just got a few meds, and cost $5600. That was just a bed to sleep in and a ultraviolet light for Jaundice. ???$5600???
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Senate Health Bill: Verification Loopholes Will Allow Illegal Aliens to Access Benefits.

FAIR’s Government Relations team has just finalized a Legislative Analysis of the Senate health care reform bill (H.R. 3590) and its impact on immigration. As with FAIR’s previous analysis of the House health care bill, FAIR’s analysis of the Senate bill discussed three key immigration related issues: (1) changes to current law that would circumvent the provision of current law that requires legal aliens to wait five years before they can access certain taxpayer-funded health benefits; (2) the existence of verification loopholes that would allow illegal aliens to access these benefits; and (3) language that would not effectively prevent illegal aliens from accessing the taxpayer-subsidized “Exchange” marketplace.

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