Obama's Health Care Plans

nesnej · #1 (**permalink**) 07-21-2009, 11:41 AM

I am seriously concerned about the future of health care in America, and I am incredibly confused at the moment. I have been following the news regarding Obama's attempts to reform health care, but even so, I can't seem to wade through all the evasive, political mumbo-jumbo to find a direct answer to any of my questions. So, I'm hoping that someone here will have found a reliable source that gives actual information, and that they will be able to tell me:

What exactly is it that Obama wants to do for health care? Does he want to have a completely socialized, universal health care system? Or does he just want to expand government aid programs to give health care to those who can't afford it, while giving people the option of getting private health care? What are the contents of the bill he is trying to get passed before the August recess? How much support does he have for whatever he's planning? What are the other options? And if you know actual, in-depth information about these things - where are you getting your news from? I'd like to borrow your sources...

Information about any and all of these things would be GREATLY appreciate, as would any opinions for or against Obama's plans.

THANKS!

Valishin · #2 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009, 09:29 PM

The key issues to understand in Obama care.

1. Everyone must have some form of 3rd party insurance coverage, if you don't you get fined by the government.
2. You can keep your insurance so long as nothing expect the cost changes about your policy. When something does change you must move a government approved plan. This is important because policies change regularly, so eventually everyone will be on only government blessed plans after plans change, families grow, or people move jobs.
3. The government would provide a "competitive" plan that would not have the same legal obligations or requirements as the companies it was competing against.
4. The plan will focus on getting medical treatement for everyone covered at the expense of high cost medical treatment thus rationing coverage based on what the government deems approprate for your age catagory.
5. The elderly will recieve pain management instead of medical treatement
6. Obama claims the plan will save enough in the years to come that it would counter act the initial costs thus in 10 years he claims the plan would be deficit neutral. Note, that no other agency who has reviewed this, even those within the government come anywhere close to agreeing with those numbers.

ziggy · #3 (**permalink**) 07-23-2009, 11:18 PM

At the moment there's a pretty big difference between what Obama wants (or at least says he wants) and what the Congress & Senate are delivering/writing in the proposed bills.

Indeed, lots of Political mumbo-jumbo.

OBAMA's 3 Point Plan:

1. Reduce costs - Rising health care costs are crushing the budgets of governments, businesses, individuals, and families, and they must be brought under control.

2. Guarantee choice - Every American must have the freedom to choose their plan and doctor - including the choice of a public insurance option.

3. Ensure quality care for all - All Americans must have quality and affordable health care.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/conte...source=feature

Hopefully the folks in Washington will be able to write a bill that follows this criteria.

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This is a good source for other Health System Options:

FRONTLINE - Sick around the World
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...roundtheworld/

You should have a look at the show and also the full (written) Interviews and Analyses on the site.

kreo · #4 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valishin

The key issues to understand in Obama care.

1. Everyone must have some form of 3rd party insurance coverage, if you don't you get fined by the government.
2. You can keep your insurance so long as nothing expect the cost changes about your policy. When something does change you must move a government approved plan. This is important because policies change regularly, so eventually everyone will be on only government blessed plans after plans change, families grow, or people move jobs.
3. The government would provide a "competitive" plan that would not have the same legal obligations or requirements as the companies it was competing against.
4. The plan will focus on getting medical treatement for everyone covered at the expense of high cost medical treatment thus rationing coverage based on what the government deems approprate for your age catagory.
5. The elderly will recieve pain management instead of medical treatement
6. Obama claims the plan will save enough in the years to come that it would counter act the initial costs thus in 10 years he claims the plan would be deficit neutral. Note, that no other agency who has reviewed this, even those within the government come anywhere close to agreeing with those numbers.

I think cost of healthcare will go down significantly if Obama succeed to destroy health insurance cartel. Remember that every calculation is made based on current inflated health care cost. Obama is hoping that at least in theory, when some kind of competition is introduced into the system, price of health care decrease by 30-40%.

Randall Jett · #5 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nesnej

I am seriously concerned about the future of health care in America, and I am incredibly confused at the moment. I have been following the news regarding Obama's attempts to reform health care, but even so, I can't seem to wade through all the evasive, political mumbo-jumbo to find a direct answer to any of my questions. So, I'm hoping that someone here will have found a reliable source that gives actual information, and that they will be able to tell me:

What exactly is it that Obama wants to do for health care? Does he want to have a completely socialized, universal health care system? Or does he just want to expand government aid programs to give health care to those who can't afford it, while giving people the option of getting private health care? What are the contents of the bill he is trying to get passed before the August recess? How much support does he have for whatever he's planning? What are the other options? And if you know actual, in-depth information about these things - where are you getting your news from? I'd like to borrow your sources...

Information about any and all of these things would be GREATLY appreciate, as would any opinions for or against Obama's plans.

THANKS!

I'm afraid youare out of luck. Everything I've found on the subject is biased in favor of supporters or opponents. As with everything from govenment you can't decipher the language in any understandable way.

Dingo44 · #6 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 08:58 AM

This bill that he house has written is the scariest thing I've seen yet with the most serious implications for everyday Americans. This bill will set in motion drastic lifestyle changes that go against everything Americans stand for. This is the first step to full-blown socialism. All these points below are for real, check them yourself against the actual bill which is linked below.

Here's the link to the full bill:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Below are the summary points:

A REVIEW OF KEY POINTS IN THE HEALTH PLAN

Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works (Yes, someone IS reading over 1000 pages! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C.!):

Pg 22 of HC Bill - MANDATES the Gov’t will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!

Pg 29 Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED! You can only get so much "care" per year.

Pg 30 Sec 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOV’T COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 - Gov’t will have real-time access to individuals finances & a Natio nal ID HealthCard will be issued!

Pg 59 Lines 21-24 - Gov’t will have direct access to your bank accts for elective funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 - Is a payoff subsidize d plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 - Gov’t is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Gov’t control.

PG 84 Sec 203 - Gov’t mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Gov’t will ration your Healthcare! AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 - Gov’t mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 - The Gov’t will use groups i.e. ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individually for Gov’t HC plan.

PG 102 Lines 12-18 - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Pg 124 Lines 24-25 - No company can sue GOV’T on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Gov’t Monopoly.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their fami lies.

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 - Doctors/AMA - The Gov’t will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE!

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - ANY Employer w/payroll 400k & above who does not provide pub option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Biz w/payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Gov’t will be taxed 2.5%.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (You and I will pay for them).

Pg 195 - Officers & employees of HC A dmin (GOV’T) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

PG 203 Lines 14-15 - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Lines 14-24 - Gov’t will reduce physician services20f or=2 0M e dicaid - Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected.

Pg 241 Lines 6-8 - Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Lines 10-18 - Gov’t sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 - Gov’t mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 - Fed Gov’t regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145 - TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 - The Gov’t will penalize hospitals for what Gov’t deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 317 Lines 13-20 - OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Gov’t tells Drs. what/how much=2 0they can own.

Pg 317-318 Lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion - Gov’t mandates if hospitals can/cannot expand.

Pg 321 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to app ly for except=2 0ion,=2 0BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg 335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Gov’t mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - Gov’t has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Gov’t HC plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Gov’t will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 - Gov’t creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 - Gov’t mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation”. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and20decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 - Gov’t will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

P G 427=2 0Lines 15-24 - Gov E2t=2 0mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 - An "Advance Care Planning Consultation" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 - "Advance Care Consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Gov’t will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 - The Gov’t will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services - Nonprofit orgs. Hello, ACORN Med ical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1 308 - The Gov’t will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Gov’t into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 - Gov’t will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing=2 0those servi ces.

shankarsingam · #7 (**permalink**) 08-19-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo44

This bill that he house has written is the scariest thing I've seen yet with the most serious implications for everyday Americans. This bill will set in motion drastic lifestyle changes that go against everything Americans stand for. This is the first step to full-blown socialism. All these points below are for real, check them yourself against the actual bill which is linked below.

Here's the link to the full bill:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Below are the summary points:

A REVIEW OF KEY POINTS IN THE HEALTH PLAN

Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works (Yes, someone IS reading over 1000 pages! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C.!):

Pg 22 of HC Bill - MANDATES the Gov’t will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!

Thats a good thing. Businesses are saving a ton of money by not having to provide healthcare
Pg 29 Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED! You can only get so much "care" per year.

Where does it say that? It says your care is increased in subsequent years
Pg 30 Sec 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOV’T COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Insurance companies do that already

Pg 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Where does it say that?
PG 50 Section 152 - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

It doesnt even say the word 'citizens' on page 50.

Pg 58 - Gov’t will have real-time access to individuals finances & a Natio nal ID HealthCard will be issued!

Pg 59 Lines 21-24 - Gov’t will have direct access to your bank accts for elective funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 - Is a payoff subsidize d plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 - Gov’t is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Gov’t control.

PG 84 Sec 203 - Gov’t mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Gov’t will ration your Healthcare! AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 - Gov’t mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 - The Gov’t will use groups i.e. ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individually for Gov’t HC plan.

PG 102 Lines 12-18 - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Pg 124 Lines 24-25 - No company can sue GOV’T on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Gov’t Monopoly.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their fami lies.

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 - Doctors/AMA - The Gov’t will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE!

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - ANY Employer w/payroll 400k & above who does not provide pub option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Biz w/payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Gov’t will be taxed 2.5%.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (You and I will pay for them).

Pg 195 - Officers & employees of HC A dmin (GOV’T) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

PG 203 Lines 14-15 - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Lines 14-24 - Gov’t will reduce physician services20f or=2 0M e dicaid - Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected.

Pg 241 Lines 6-8 - Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Lines 10-18 - Gov’t sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 - Gov’t mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 - Fed Gov’t regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145 - TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 - The Gov’t will penalize hospitals for what Gov’t deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 317 Lines 13-20 - OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Gov’t tells Drs. what/how much=2 0they can own.

Pg 317-318 Lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion - Gov’t mandates if hospitals can/cannot expand.

Pg 321 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to app ly for except=2 0ion,=2 0BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg 335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Gov’t mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - Gov’t has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Gov’t HC plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Gov’t will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 - Gov’t creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 - Gov’t mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation”. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and20decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 - Gov’t will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

P G 427=2 0Lines 15-24 - Gov E2t=2 0mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 - An "Advance Care Planning Consultation" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 - "Advance Care Consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Gov’t will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 - The Gov’t will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services - Nonprofit orgs. Hello, ACORN Med ical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1 308 - The Gov’t will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Gov’t into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 - Gov’t will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing=2 0those servi ces.

LMAO!
Your post is an out right lie.
What rightwing website did you get this flawed, dumbed down translation of the bill.

jason · #8 (**permalink**) 08-20-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nesnej

I am seriously concerned about the future of health care in America, and I am incredibly confused at the moment. I have been following the news regarding Obama's attempts to reform health care, but even so, I can't seem to wade through all the evasive, political mumbo-jumbo to find a direct answer to any of my questions. So, I'm hoping that someone here will have found a reliable source that gives actual information, and that they will be able to tell me:

What exactly is it that Obama wants to do for health care? Does he want to have a completely socialized, universal health care system? Or does he just want to expand government aid programs to give health care to those who can't afford it, while giving people the option of getting private health care? What are the contents of the bill he is trying to get passed before the August recess? How much support does he have for whatever he's planning? What are the other options? And if you know actual, in-depth information about these things - where are you getting your news from? I'd like to borrow your sources...

Information about any and all of these things would be GREATLY appreciate, as would any opinions for or against Obama's plans.

THANKS!

There's a simple question people need to ask themeselves as well as the Representatives and Senators, from their states. This is the question you need to think about, the person who wants to understand what's going on.
If this plan is so wonderful and good for all of us, then why aren't the Representatives, Senators and members of the federal government enrolling in it?

They want to keep their own elitist health care plans.
Michelle Obama or Joe Biden will NOT give up their health care coverage for some idiotic socialist plan.

Don't be naive, people! This plan is not for us, for our benefit, it's meant to give more power to State bureaucrats and to monopoly tycoons. Back in the 1990s when Clinton was pushing this garbage through Congress, Senator Jay Rockefeller of the Rockefeller dynasty, strongly favored the plan for a government controlled health care. Even the Huffington Post which is a rabid Left wing publication on the internet, had an article by one of their columnists admitting that there was a secret deal between the Obama administration and the pharmaceutical giant, PhRMA. They had a photocopy of the agreement in the article. The government agreed to stop competition from Canadian companies and not to force PhRMA to lower prices. In exchange, PhRMA agreed to lower prices only for senior citizens in the next ten years, up to but no more than 60 million dollars. So if this health care plan would become law, PhRMA would strenghten its monopoly with the help of the government.

"Why would I exchange one tyrant three thousand miles away, with three thousand tyrants, one mile away?" - Benjamin Martin, The Patriot.

Iriemon · #9 (**permalink**) 08-20-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo44

This bill that he house has written is the scariest thing I've seen yet with the most serious implications for everyday Americans. This bill will set in motion drastic lifestyle changes that go against everything Americans stand for. This is the first step to full-blown socialism. All these points below are for real, check them yourself against the actual bill which is linked below.

Here's the link to the full bill:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Below are the summary points:

A REVIEW OF KEY POINTS IN THE HEALTH PLAN

Some of the items in the Health Care Plan now in the works (Yes, someone IS reading over 1000 pages! But it isn't your representatives in Washington D.C.!):

Pg 22 of HC Bill - MANDATES the Gov’t will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!

Pg 29 Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED! You can only get so much "care" per year.

Pg 30 Sec 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOV’T COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 - Gov’t will have real-time access to individuals finances & a Natio nal ID HealthCard will be issued!

Pg 59 Lines 21-24 - Gov’t will have direct access to your bank accts for elective funds transfer.

PG 65 Sec 164 - Is a payoff subsidize d plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 - Gov’t is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Gov’t control.

PG 84 Sec 203 - Gov’t mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

PG 85 Line 7 - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Gov’t will ration your Healthcare! AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 - Gov’t mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 - The Gov’t will use groups i.e. ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individually for Gov’t HC plan.

PG 102 Lines 12-18 - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Pg 124 Lines 24-25 - No company can sue GOV’T on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Gov’t Monopoly.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their fami lies.

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 - Doctors/AMA - The Gov’t will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE!

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 - ANY Employer w/payroll 400k & above who does not provide pub option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 - Biz w/payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Gov’t will be taxed 2.5%.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (You and I will pay for them).

Pg 195 - Officers & employees of HC A dmin (GOV’T) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records.

PG 203 Lines 14-15 - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Lines 14-24 - Gov’t will reduce physician services20f or=2 0M e dicaid - Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected.

Pg 241 Lines 6-8 - Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Lines 10-18 - Gov’t sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 - Gov’t mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 - Fed Gov’t regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145 - TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 - The Gov’t will penalize hospitals for what Gov’t deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 317 Lines 13-20 - OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Gov’t tells Drs. what/how much=2 0they can own.

Pg 317-318 Lines 21-25,1-3 - PROHIBITION on expansion - Gov’t mandates if hospitals can/cannot expand.

Pg 321 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to app ly for except=2 0ion,=2 0BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg 335 Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Gov’t mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 - Gov’t has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Gov’t HC plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Gov’t will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 - Gov’t creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 - Gov’t mandates “Advance Care Planning Consultation”. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and20decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 - Gov’t will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 - Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

P G 427=2 0Lines 15-24 - Gov E2t=2 0mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 - An "Advance Care Planning Consultation" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 - "Advance Care Consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Gov’t will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 - The Gov’t will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services - Nonprofit orgs. Hello, ACORN Med ical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1 308 - The Gov’t will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Gov’t into your marriage.

Pg 494-498 - Gov’t will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing=2 0those servi ces.

Misrepresentations exposed in this thread: Stunning Item in the Healtcare Bill...STUNNING

jason · #10 (**permalink**) 08-20-2009, 02:23 PM

He is actually helping to strengthen the cartel, not destroying it.

LOL

This plan is not for us, for our benefit, it's meant to give more power to State bureaucrats and to monopoly tycoons. Back in the 1990s when Clinton was pushing this garbage through Congress, Senator Jay Rockefeller of the Rockefeller dynasty, strongly favored the plan for a government controlled health care. Even the Huffington Post which is a rabid Left wing publication on the internet, had an article by one of their columnists admitting that there was a secret deal between the Obama administration and the pharmaceutical giant, PhRMA. They had a photocopy of the agreement in the article. The government agreed to stop competition from Canadian companies and not to force PhRMA to lower prices. In exchange, PhRMA agreed to lower prices only for senior citizens in the next ten years, up to but no more than 60 million dollars. So if this health care plan would become law, PhRMA would strenghten its monopoly with the help of the government. And so would other pharmaceutical corporations.

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