The huge amount of taxpayers' money that went into the phony "stimulus bill" has only been tapped for a small portion of its entirety, so what's going on with the main part of it that hasn't been allocated? Could it be a Chicago-type scam? Not our politicians!!!!!!!!

Obama is just behaving with our money like his people do all the time with it.

1.i am not writing a dissertation. i am giving opinions in general terms.
2. i have not leveled a single insult.
3. no. i will state for the record that i am not for parts of the bill which do not have a positive effect on manufacturing, infrastructure, or development.
4. no. my point was that your argument was invalid. you claimed that the stimulus was a bad idea because of debt; but your approach would have led to greater debt. you keep adding things after the fact that are irrelavant to your original argument and distort what i have said. how can i prove that? you argue that private debt is an important reason to not pass the stimulus in post 13, then you proceed to say that private debt is no big deal because the market will naturally take care of it in post 23.
5. this is not china. the stimulus is a temporary measure to ease the effects of the recession. not guaranteed employment for life.

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For the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. -Socrates




follow the link - read the book
http://www.factcheck.org/unspun/

a fine example of nationalism and partisan politics at its worst.

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For the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. -Socrates




follow the link - read the book
http://www.factcheck.org/unspun/

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're unemployed and receiving some sort of government assistance.

i am a nontraditional college student who does not recieve student aid (my family and i pay for it out of pocket) and who works part time at my family's small business. my major is political science with an empasis on china and minor in philosophy.

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For the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. -Socrates




follow the link - read the book
http://www.factcheck.org/unspun/

I'm not one to particularly blame Obama. He's a puppet like all the rest. McCain would have done the same thing.

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“Some writers have so confounded society with government as to leave little or no distinction between them ... [Yet s]ociety is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness.” - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

"Bleeding head good. Healed head bad."

Ah, ok. Just opinions and assertions from you then.

ludicrous, narrowminded, and dismissive

Somebody's gain, which you call a "positive effect" is somebody else's loss. So, will you go on record as saying that you are for harming some people, even if you don't know who or what they earn or how they earn it, in order to benefit others?

Uh no, I asked if it's a good idea to use debt spending as a way to alleviate the problems of too much debt. The stimulus is a bad idea, not because of debt but because it is government allocation of resources to fix the problems of malinvestment orginally caused by government policy. It's like asking arsonist who set fire to your house to put out the fire for you and applauding his efforts to do so.

I'm sorry, how is this possible? By all indications, people are paying off debt, saving money and even discharging debt (foreclosures and bankruptcy anyone?) The government has to borrow to pay for it's huge stimulus boondoggle; why would it have to borrow so much if it weren't going to spend?

On the contrary, I think it is a huge deal, and using inflation and attempting to keep prices from falling and borrowing huge amounts and encouraging people to spend more money that they don't have isn't going to get us back to growth and prosperity.

Except that it will make things worse than they need to be, and if there is no recovery, the government will have to continue to employ people to dig holes and fill them up again.

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“Some writers have so confounded society with government as to leave little or no distinction between them ... [Yet s]ociety is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness.” - Thomas Paine, Common Sense

"Bleeding head good. Healed head bad."

Yeah, me too. I think the days to go through it with a fine tooth comb could have coincided with ideological debate as well.

As in, how exactly does it stimulate the economy when the USG increases spending and injects money, i.e. 'Borrow and spend'?

Dan Mitchell of the Cato Intitute:

Keynesian Economics Is Wrong: Bigger Gov't Is Not Stimulus

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and the economy is improving lol