Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

Ah, ok. Just opinions and assertions from you then.

if i was doing anything else i would have posted links to verifiable data

ludicrous, narrowminded, and dismissive

you cannot "insult" an argument.

Somebody's gain, which you call a "positive effect" is somebody else's loss. So, will you go on record as saying that you are for harming some people, even if you don't know who or what they earn or how they earn it, in order to benefit others?

it was my assertion that inaction would have done more harm than action. your point is irrelavant to that argument.

Uh no, I asked if it's a good idea to use debt spending as a way to alleviate the problems of too much debt. The stimulus is a bad idea, not because of debt but because it is government allocation of resources to fix the problems of malinvestment orginally caused by government policy. It's like asking arsonist who set fire to your house to put out the fire for you and applauding his efforts to do so.

not spending that money on some sort of stimulus would have led to more debt. your argument makes little sense. it is an old onesided argument and it is ludicrous.

I'm sorry, how is this possible? By all indications, people are paying off debt, saving money and even discharging debt (foreclosures and bankruptcy anyone?) The government has to borrow to pay for it's huge stimulus boondoggle; why would it have to borrow so much if it weren't going to spend?

A) you are claiming as fact that people are paying off debt etc. without posting any links to back up that claim. B) i think i finally see what part of my argument you do not see. It was my opinion that if the recession were left unmanaged unemployment would likely have increased further and would endure for a longer period, this will would have had a negative impact on government revenues which would have led to more government debt

On the contrary, I think it is a huge deal, and using inflation and attempting to keep prices from falling and borrowing huge amounts and encouraging people to spend more money that they don't have isn't going to get us back to growth and prosperity.

telling people to go out and debt spend was bush's solution years ago, this is not the same. this is government spending, not the encouragement of debt spending by individuals.

Except that it will make things worse than they need to be, and if there is no recovery, the government will have to continue to employ people to dig holes and fill them up again.

Originally Posted by 06AlphaGriot

WordWaster. You do not have even the first clue of what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by REDRUM

A portion of the stimulus is the most pretentious waste of taxpayers money. The stimulus was passed and designed to put money into people's pockets right NOW and create jobs right NOW. It's reported that the states have received roughly 10 percent of the entire stimulus money yet unemployment continued to skyrocket in many states after the "spendulus" was signed back in January. The notion that some Liberals actually believe the stimulus is working is quite absurd. Housing foreclosures up 7 percent in July and the value of the American dollar steadily declining. Over 2.8 million jobs lost and counting since Obama took office, it's no mystery his approval ratings continue to drop like Wal-Mart pricing.

Originally Posted by Foolardi

The Stimulus was used to plug holes in state budgets,NOT
Immediate jobs.Obama Lied and IS a LIAR.
We are just now finding out that Van Jones,a recent Obama
appointment Green Czar,helped author the Stimulus.
Jones is a Former ,admitted Communist.A Yaley who delighted in
wearing a Black Panther patch.
He admits to all this.
BTW ... Just what right does this new President have in making
Czar appointments.?
He doesn't.
Obama like Jones is a far-reaching Marxist.Out to not just
CHANGE America but Transform into an entity,almost recognizable.

Wise Up America. Don't be Stooged !

Originally Posted by 06AlphaGriot

WordWaster. You do not have even the first clue of what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by camp_steveo

Yeah, me too. I think the days to go through it with a fine tooth comb could have coincided with ideological debate as well.

As in, how exactly does it stimulate the economy when the USG increases spending and injects money, i.e. 'Borrow and spend'?

Dan Mitchell of the Cato Intitute:

Keynesian Economics Is Wrong: Bigger Gov't Is Not Stimulus



YouTube - Keynesian Economics Is Wrong: Bigger Gov't Is Not Stimulus

Originally Posted by WordWaster

thank you foolhardi, for bringing a rational perspective to this discussion.

btw- 碧芝 since i am the only one defending the stimulus, does that mean i win?

Originally Posted by Foolardi

The Truth and Facts definately don't Hurt Republicans.
Why then do they Democrats.?

Originally Posted by 06AlphaGriot

WordWaster. You do not have even the first clue of what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by WordWaster

just off the top of my head, i believe that it is because republicans dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about facts and democrats do. (that was a joke, please no angry responses)

Originally Posted by camp_steveo

Here's some rational discourse.

Originally Posted by 06AlphaGriot

WordWaster. You do not have even the first clue of what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by livejuan

and the economy is improving lol