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Default Tuskegee Airmen to get overdue salute for service

The Tuskegee Airmen were not suppose to succeed. A 1925 study by the Army War College titled, "The use of Negro Manpower in War" concluded that Black men, "were cowards and poor technicians and fighters, lacking initiative and resourcefulness." It also called them a, "subspecies of human population."

The sad thing about that is there are many out there today in 2007 that still feel the same way.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/pri...egee0318b.html
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The Tuskegee Airmen were not suppose to succeed. A 1925 study by the Army War College titled, "The use of Negro Manpower in War" concluded that Black men, "were cowards and poor technicians and fighters, lacking initiative and resourcefulness." It also called them a, "subspecies of human population."

The sad thing about that is there are many out there today in 2007 that still feel the same way.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/pri...egee0318b.html
Long overdue, and I salute them. I do question your "there are many out there today" comment. How many would that be bro'? And, who are those "many"?
They, being the scum of the earth racists, are few indeed, because the majority of Americans do not feel that way. You will never totally erase hate and racism, and that coming from all sides of color, unfortunately a perfect world will never be.
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The Tuskegee Airmen were not suppose to succeed. A 1925 study by the Army War College titled, "The use of Negro Manpower in War" concluded that Black men, "were cowards and poor technicians and fighters, lacking initiative and resourcefulness." It also called them a, "subspecies of human population."

The sad thing about that is there are many out there today in 2007 that still feel the same way.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/pri...egee0318b.html
Long overdue, and I salute them. I do question your "there are many out there today" comment.

How many would that be bro'? And, who are those "many"?

Many of them are right here on these threads.

They, being the scum of the earth racists, are few indeed, because the majority of Americans do not feel that way. You will never totally erase hate and racism, and that coming from all sides of color, unfortunately a perfect world will never be.


I see that more and more each day.

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Default Got one for you Bronco

You asked who and many are go to Political Opinions and look under "My: State of the Union" and there is a start.

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Default ABOUT TIME SINCE MOST ARE DEAD

As a retired member of the USAF who was born after these brave men served their nation I can only say that it is about time and it's too bad that most are already dead.

It is a shame that in the South many of the Tuskegee Airmen where not allowed to be buried in Veteran or municipal cemetaries because of the white only restriction.

PS To those of you on this forum who have stated that I am "mean" by bringing up racism in the South I am not it is aa sad fact.
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anyone who isn't an American is considered a subspecies these days.

Godspeed the brave folk of Tuskegee, your racist neighbours disgraced themselves with syphillis trials and denigrated your service.
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First, all americans owe the Tuskegee Airmen a debt of gratitude for their service in WWII.

However, there are some widespread historical distortions regarding them.

1. It is said they never lost a bomber to enemy aircraft, but whites did. This has been exposed as false - see eg
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121600849.html

2. Secondly, it is customary to brag about their record vs. the german pilots. It is never mentioned that the plane the TA's flew from mid-1944 onward, that is to say, for the great part of the european campaign, was the P-51, the superior fighter plane of WWII and vastly superior in speed, armor, and armament to the Me-109, the standard fighter of the Luftwaffe.
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Default Now you see why they have never been honored

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First, all americans owe the Tuskegee Airmen a debt of gratitude for their service in WWII.

However, there are some widespread historical distortions regarding them.

1. It is said they never lost a bomber to enemy aircraft, but whites did. This has been exposed as false - see eg
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121600849.html


A 83 yr old gentleman from Montgomery AL. Need I say more.

2. Secondly, it is customary to brag about their record vs. the german pilots. It is never mentioned that the plane the TA's flew from mid-1944 onward, that is to say, for the great part of the european campaign, was the P-51, the superior fighter plane of WWII and vastly superior in speed, armor, and armament to the Me-109, the standard fighter of the Luftwaffe.


A prime example of His-Story.

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Default JAKE not sure exactly what your point is ?

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2. Secondly, it is customary to brag about their record vs. the german pilots. It is never mentioned that the plane the TA's flew from mid-1944 onward, that is to say, for the great part of the european campaign, was the P-51, the superior fighter plane of WWII and vastly superior in speed, armor, and armament to the Me-109, the standard fighter of the Luftwaffe.
The distribution of the Mustang (P51) and specifically the D model was distributed to the Tuskegee airmen just about the time frame as other units. Also remember that the Fighter Squadrons flew the P40 and also the P47. The P47 was more of a ground support fighter than a air superiority fighter ( relevtively speaking). Therefore I am not sure exactly what your point is regarding the P51 and the Fighter Squadrons ?

As a history buff I am curious. I also must admit that it was not until long after I retired from the AirForce that I actually learned something about the Tusgekkees !!! But better late than never !!
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I think that reasonable people understood this as a myth but so what that does not take away from what the Tuskegees did under the worst of conditions and opposition from racist Senators and their White comrads in arms, so to speak !!!
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