Thousands of Veterans join with the Bush methodolgy - Page 3

Blade · #21 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 02:06 PM

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Sure desertion rates were low under Clinton - he was asleep at the switch while al qaeda made probing attacks and built its worldwide infrastructure, with US soldiers sleeping in their bunks. This desertion story remains nothing but an anti-Bush lib media event.

But Bush is asleep at the wheel while while al qaeda makes probing attacks and builds its worldwide infrastructure, with US soldiers dying in Iraq for nothing. No wonder morale is low and desertion rates are high. But I think the deserters think they can get away with it while serving under a Vietnam War Deserter CIC napping in the White House while they die.

No, Bush sent an army into afghanistan and overturned the taliban regime that was giving them a safe haven. Bush disrupted their finances and cells all over the world. Bush completely put them on the defensive - Osama was recently whining that democrats hadn't ended the war in iraq. Comparing Bush to Clinton's eight-year rip van winkle act is silly.

MRMAGQQ · #22 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 05:26 PM

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Looks like a non-story to me, and shows the growing liberal/socialist desperation as election year 2008 looms large on the Dems' shaky horizon.

Yep, we are so desperate we can show the CIC is YOUR failure in 08' and electing another fascist Replug would be a major mistake to our military forces. Even Clinton was a better CIC than this dictator, or any dictator the fascist right has waiting in the wings. I don't even recall generals bailing out under Clinton.

Demagoguery on this board and a buck-twenty-five will buy you a cup of coffee.

MRMAGQQ · #23 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 05:58 PM

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Sure desertion rates were low under Clinton - he was asleep at the switch while al qaeda made probing attacks and built its worldwide infrastructure, with US soldiers sleeping in their bunks. This desertion story remains nothing but an anti-Bush lib media event.

But Bush is asleep at the wheel while while al qaeda makes probing attacks and builds its worldwide infrastructure, with US soldiers dying in Iraq for nothing.

Al Qaeda's worldwide network was in place long before Bush took the helm, and would have gained in strength had we stayed out of the Middle East.

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No wonder morale is low and desertion rates are high.

I believe it's been shown that desertion rates are actually very low, and recent indications are that morale among the military is on the upswing (Get your own (*)(*)(*)(*)ed links -- and make sure they are current and unbiased!)

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But I think the deserters think they can get away with it while serving under a Vietnam War Deserter CIC napping in the White House while they die.

Don't worry. If Bush had been called to active duty, he would have been over there with the rest of the cannon fodder, if he wished to stay in the service. In the last year or two of Vietnam, combat pilots of all services were resigning their commissions in droves to go into civilian flying jobs because of the crappy way Johnson & McNamara, et al, were running the war (actually not running it).

thedreamer · #24 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:45 AM

Id argue the US military arguement is not
Draft Vs Volunteer
but
Volunteer Vs Mercenary
The Iraqi and Afghani combat zones have seen unprecenented (in this past two centuries at least) deployments of mercenary forces by a developed nation.
It sets a bad precendent.

Blade · #25 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:58 AM

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Id argue the US military arguement is not
Draft Vs Volunteer
but
Volunteer Vs Mercenary
The Iraqi and Afghani combat zones have seen unprecenented (in this past two centuries at least) deployments of mercenary forces by a developed nation.
It sets a bad precendent.

It does? How so?

thedreamer · #26 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:43 PM

Security Contractor = Mercenary
Sets a bad precedent.

shintao · #27 (**permalink**) 11-24-2007, 08:37 PM

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No, Bush sent an army into afghanistan and overturned the taliban regime that was giving them a safe haven.

Clinton's heavy armed & trained military into Afghanistan.

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Bush disrupted their finances and cells all over the world.

Just as Clinton layed out to do in his terrorist plans left to Bush.

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Bush completely put them on the defensive -

With Clinton's Military.

shintao · #28 (**permalink**) 11-24-2007, 08:52 PM

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Don't worry. If Bush had been called to active duty, he would have been over there with the rest of the cannon fodder, if he wished to stay in the service.

Bush "honorably" chose the height of the Tet Offensive to engage in aggressive maneuvers - using his family influence to get into the Texas Air National Guard specifically to avoid being drafted to go to Vietnam.

To do so, he overcame a 25% score on his pilot aptitude test - and a series of driving convictions that should have required a special waiver. He was commissioned an officer despite having no pilot experience, no time in the Reserve Officer Training Corp, and without attending Officer Training School. He ticked the box saying "no" to overseas service.

Blade · #29 (**permalink**) 11-24-2007, 10:10 PM

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Security Contractor = Mercenary
Sets a bad precedent.

You're not showing it's bad by repeating yourself.

Blade · #30 (**permalink**) 11-24-2007, 10:13 PM

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No, Bush sent an army into afghanistan and overturned the taliban regime that was giving them a safe haven.

Clinton's heavy armed & trained military into Afghanistan.

Nonsense - Bubba Clinton decimated the military. He sent a swarm of feminazis into the pentagon to feminize the US military, and cut the number of active army divisions in half.

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Bush disrupted their finances and cells all over the world.

Just as Clinton layed out to do in his terrorist plans left to Bush.

Yaaaaaa - sure he did.