Thread: Are soldiers really serving their country?

WWII has nothing to do with it. In fact it does, but can be used in my argument.

During WWII jews were persecuted.

Right now, Muslims are persecuted in the name of cultural regime changes regionwide and control of resources.

So how do illegal imperialistic wars justify denying Americans their due process?

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

WWII has nothing to do with it. In fact it does, but can be used in my argument.

During WWII jews were persecuted.

Right now, Muslims are persecuted in the name of cultural regime changes regionwide and control of resources.

So how do illegal imperialistic wars justify denying Americans their due process?

Not only Jews, but Romani, Homosexuals, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, and a great number of other groups. But this was by a homocidal nation, not the United States.

And Muslims are being persecuted? Where are the concentration camps? Where are the max ejections from the US of Muslims? We still have more trying to enter the US then ever before.

How many Jews tried to enter Germany in 1936? Not many I bet.

Sorry, I consider this another fail. And if an AMerican is hanging out with terrorists, I consider him or her to be a terrorist also and should be treated no different. After all, it is a combat zone. And bombs do not ask to see passports.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Not only Jews, but Romani, Homosexuals, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, and a great number of other groups. But this was by a homocidal nation, not the United States.

And those who tried to help those people by resisting the Nazis were labelled terrorists and summarily executed if caught. Had the Nazis modern day firepower, they would have used drones and other tools to eliminate the threats. Can you say that they were wrong to do so, and, if so, by what principle?

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Sorry, I consider this another fail. And if an AMerican is hanging out with terrorists, I consider him or her to be a terrorist also and should be treated no different. After all, it is a combat zone. And bombs do not ask to see passports.

A-freaking-men. What is it about this sub-forum that attracts the crazies?

Originally Posted by Up On the Governor

A-freaking-men. What is it about this sub-forum that attracts the crazies?

There are a lot of people who relish the opportunity to "confront" active duty military and veterans. They get off on it.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

There are a lot of people who relish the opportunity to "confront" active duty military and veterans. They get off on it.

It seems like we can never have an honest discussion and it's too bad. I know there are more moderate "anti-military" types out there who are at least reasonable and willing to have a logical debate with plenty of supporting information. That would be a hell of a lot more fun because these people could be "converted" and MAYBE even alter my viewpoints . These tinfoil wearing crazies we get are no fun. You need a common foundation of reasonableness between both parties to have an effective debate. These people are up swimming with the stars. I've noticed that half of all threads in this sub-forum are started by Horhey and are FULL of pages and pages documenting U.S. conspiracies. The guy has started almost 20 threads here in the last month.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

There are a lot of people who relish the opportunity to "confront" active duty military and veterans. They get off on it.

Oh, it is like that everywhere.

No joke, I just got back from reporting in at my reserve unit. While driving down the I-580 towards San Jose, I passed a V-8 Lexus with about every "Leftist" bumpersticker you could imagine. "Change", "I Want Democracy Now", "Stop The War On Drugs", etc. And as I drew alongside, some 40-something looked over at me and seeing me in uniform flipped me the bird. I just smiled and waved back at him (I however used all my fingers).

I noticed before I paid attention to his driving that he looked rather surprised. I myself do not get off on confrontation, and enjoy being as friendly as I can when faced with hostility. AM am not going to get into a pissing contest with brainless individuals like that.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Not only Jews, but Romani, Homosexuals, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, and a great number of other groups. But this was by a homocidal nation, not the United States.

And Muslims are being persecuted? Where are the concentration camps? Where are the max ejections from the US of Muslims? We still have more trying to enter the US then ever before.

How many Jews tried to enter Germany in 1936? Not many I bet.

Sorry, I consider this another fail. And if an AMerican is hanging out with terrorists, I consider him or her to be a terrorist also and should be treated no different. After all, it is a combat zone. And bombs do not ask to see passports.

We keep invading Muslim nations based on lies and propaganda. Iraq for WMD's, turns out they didn't exists, hundreds of thousand Iraqis slaughtered due to the lying tyrannical government ruling us who turned out to be worse than Saddam from most Iraqis opinions. We are fighting Al Qaeda, whom we assisted in Libya and looks like repeating the process in Syria, whilst simultaneously fighting them in other nations. Face it, every thing we've been told about this War of Terrorism is a lie and the United States is a global terrorist empire that is fueled by the blood of innocents and must be stopped but won't do so willingly.

Originally Posted by Mushroom

Not only Jews, but Romani, Homosexuals, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, and a great number of other groups. But this was by a homocidal nation, not the United States.

And Muslims are being persecuted? Where are the concentration camps? Where are the max ejections from the US of Muslims? We still have more trying to enter the US then ever before.

How many Jews tried to enter Germany in 1936? Not many I bet.

Sorry, I consider this another fail. And if an AMerican is hanging out with terrorists, I consider him or her to be a terrorist also and should be treated no different. After all, it is a combat zone. And bombs do not ask to see passports.

Afghanistan
Iraq
Palestine
Lybia
Yemen
Somalia
Phillipines
Pakistan

Soon to be Syria, Iran.

Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Bahrain
Pre-Revolution Egypt

Guantanamo Bay


If the American government was so sure Alawi was a terrorist, why didn't they allow him a trial in America, and decide to execute him instead?

You think it is okay that America feels it has the right to kill whoever it wants, simply using the term "terrorist" to justify it?

Originally Posted by OJLeb

You think it is okay that America feels it has the right to kill whoever it wants, simply using the term "terrorist" to justify it?

See, there is propaganda in the United States period, and it's very effective I would argue. But the most propagandized segment of the American public, in my opinion, is the United States Armed Forces. These people are in it so thick that you'll almost never get through to them. On top of that, they oftentimes don't want to know the truth because then they'll have to come to the grim realization that they are the vessel being used to put into action the terrorist policies being made by those occupying DC. They will then, when eyes opened, have to come to the realization that they are not fighting for the freedom of all Americans, but quite to the contrary, to their eventual enslavement or at the very least severe loss of liberties and freedom. They will have to come to the understanding that they are not America's heroes. That's not so glamorous, and that doesn't help one to sleep at night. The lie is easier and will suffice for most of them.