Thread: Waffen SS Tribute

What a load of rubbish here of those oh so brave Anglo-Saxons who think they had the better soldiers and like to spit on the graves of German soldiers. There were several waves of Waffen-SS soldiers:

1. Until 1939: These soldiers were well equipped and their drill was ok, but not perfectly fit to war. These troops were focused a little too much to look good in parades and focused too much on sport achievements and fitness (which are of course important, but not the only important aspect of a front soldier, the focus was not correct). They consisted of a few fanatic nazis, but also of people who just wanted to become civil servants in their later career.
2. From 1939-1944: These were the most fanatic, well equipped and best trained soldiers of WWII in Europe. "To give death and to take death" was their motto, they did both, for most of them was clear they would fall in combat and they were prepared to die for their idea of a national socialist Germany. If you ignore the Japanese soldiers they were by far the best soldiers of WWII, nevertheless they were often absolutely reckless and merciless.
3. From winter 1944-1945: They conscripted everything they could, even children, their skills as soldiers were no longer over average. Every experienced Wehrmacht Division was far beyond these soldiers.

It is really funny to see these Anglosaxon feelings of superiority, it was Red Army soldiers who fought for their lives who were able to fight down the German soldiers only by outnumbering them. In their desperate fight to take them out they lost 13 million soldiers. Sorry Yanks, your bombardements and your support of the Soviet Union may have been decisive, but an army who ran away because of 200 000 soldiers in the Ardennes, when they were unable to use their aircraft and when their soldiers ran out of choclate cake and whose main task it was to terrorize German civlians from the air should not claim their soldiers to be the bravest.

Originally Posted by Heroclitus

Nazis - including the Waffen SS - were murderers and cowards.

The truly brave soldier does it from the air and use phosphorous bombs.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

2. From 1939-1944: These were the most fanatic, well equipped and best trained soldiers of WWII in Europe. "To give death and to take death" was their motto, they did both, for most of them was clear they would fall in combat and they were prepared to die for their idea of a national socialist Germany. If you ignore the Japanese soldiers they were by far the best soldiers of WWII, nevertheless they were often absolutely reckless and merciless.

You can include the Japanese soldiers and the Germans are still the best. The Japanese were more fanatic but had not the good euquipment the Germans had and the Amercans had very low casualties compared with the Japanese.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

From winter 1944-1945: They conscripted everything they could, even children, their skills as soldiers were no longer over average. Every experienced Wehrmacht Division was far beyond these soldiers.

The prerequisites to become an SS-Soldier were reduced during the war. SS-Soldiers had to be at least 1,80 meters big, had to look aryan and a very "clear" family tree from the NS view. In 1944 this prerequisites began to crumble. However, children were no SS-Members, did not fight and worked as messenger boy in the last days of Berlin e.g. There were enough voluntary boys, we should not forget the NS-upbringing.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

It is really funny to see these Anglosaxon feelings of superiority, it was Red Army soldiers who fought for their lives who were able to fight down the German soldiers only by outnumbering them. In their desperate fight to take them out they lost 13 million soldiers. Sorry Yanks, your bombardements and your support of the Soviet Union may have been decisive, but an army who ran away because of 200 000 soldiers in the Ardennes, when they were unable to use their aircraft and when their soldiers ran out of choclate cake and whose main task it was to terrorize German civlians from the air should not claim their soldiers to be the bravest.

to terrorize German civlians from the air

Wrong clue. the brave soldiers did not terrorize German civlians from the air, they liberated German civlians from the air. Therefore they are the most brave soldiers.

Joking aside.
The bomber crews were brave indeed, because they knew they had a very low life expectancy. The German defense was much more effective than the people think today.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

What a load of rubbish here of those oh so brave Anglo-Saxons who think they had the better soldiers and like to spit on the graves of German soldiers. There were several waves of Waffen-SS soldiers:

1. Until 1939: These soldiers were well equipped and their drill was ok, but not perfectly fit to war. These troops were focused a little too much to look good in parades and focused too much on sport achievements and fitness (which are of course important, but not the only important aspect of a front soldier, the focus was not correct). They consisted of a few fanatic nazis, but also of people who just wanted to become civil servants in their later career.
2. From 1939-1944: These were the most fanatic, well equipped and best trained soldiers of WWII in Europe. "To give death and to take death" was their motto, they did both, for most of them was clear they would fall in combat and they were prepared to die for their idea of a national socialist Germany. If you ignore the Japanese soldiers they were by far the best soldiers of WWII, nevertheless they were often absolutely reckless and merciless.
3. From winter 1944-1945: They conscripted everything they could, even children, their skills as soldiers were no longer over average. Every experienced Wehrmacht Division was far beyond these soldiers.

It is really funny to see these Anglosaxon feelings of superiority, it was Red Army soldiers who fought for their lives who were able to fight down the German soldiers only by outnumbering them. In their desperate fight to take them out they lost 13 million soldiers. Sorry Yanks, your bombardements and your support of the Soviet Union may have been decisive, but an army who ran away because of 200 000 soldiers in the Ardennes, when they were unable to use their aircraft and when their soldiers ran out of choclate cake and whose main task it was to terrorize German civlians from the air should not claim their soldiers to be the bravest.

Us Angles and Saxons spit on the graves of German soldiers because they were murdering cowardly scum who committed warcrime after warcrime. They may have been psycopaths, and violent cretins, but that is even more reason to rejoice in their demise. To admire a member of the Waffen SS for any reason is a sign of acquiescence to the enormity of their crime. That is the real agenda behind those who eulogize German soldiers on here. It is a denial of the crimes committed by Nazi Germany, thinly disguised. I don't care if they were brave or not, as long as they are dead. If their death was slow and painful, so much the better.

Originally Posted by Heroclitus

Us Angles and Saxons spit on the graves of German soldiers because they were murdering cowardly scum who committed warcrime after warcrime. They may have been psycopaths, and violent cretins, but that is even more reason to rejoice in their demise. To admire a member of the Waffen SS for any reason is a sign of acquiescence to the enormity of their crime. That is the real agenda behind those who eulogize German soldiers on here. It is a denial of the crimes committed by Nazi Germany, thinly disguised. I don't care if they were brave or not, as long as they are dead. If their death was slow and painful, so much the better.

It's bizzar to rub the reader your fantasies of slow and painful deaths under their noses and talk about psycopaths in the same post. You rather fit in the image of a psycopath than many of these guys who were conscripted. However, they were outnumbered and wiped out by the Red Army, an army which committed countless atrocities, but fought without any doubt in a brave manner and consisted for most parts of brave soldiers.

Your attitude and your lust for torture and pain would perfectly fit in the requirements for Mara Salvatrucha, but never ever makes you the perfect British soldier. Of course I could throw links with US or UK warcrimes after you, but I don't want even to compare soldiers who were most often brutalized in their wars (oftentimes cannot bear what they did later on) with psychopaths like you who write down such lines in the deepest peace. Sensation seeking opulence kids with dreams of people tortured to death are the last people to judge any war criminal.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

It's bizzar to rub the reader your fantasies of slow and painful deaths under their noses and talk about psycopaths in the same post. You rather fit in the image of a psycopath than many of these guys who were conscripted. However, they were outnumbered and wiped out by the Red Army, an army which committed countless atrocities, but fought without any doubt in a brave manner and consisted for most parts of brave soldiers.

Your attitude and your lust for torture and pain would perfectly fit in the requirements for Mara Salvatrucha, but never ever makes you the perfect British soldier. Of course I could throw links with US or UK warcrimes after you, but I don't want even to compare soldiers who were most often brutalized in their wars (oftentimes cannot bear what they did later on) with psychopaths like you who write down such lines in the deepest peace. Sensation seeking opulence kids with dreams of people tortured to death are the last people to judge any war criminal.

That is a high quality rebuttal from one who quotes a prominent American Nazi in his signature. I suppose "the devil can quote scripture for his purpose". Most Nazis are as thick as pig excrement.

As to Nazis, there are Nazis who put on jackboots to beat up and terrorize immigrants (if they can get three Nazis onto one woman for example). And then there are the clever articulate ones behind the scenes who write the weasel words and direct the thugs from a position of absolute physical safety.

But my point still stands. Those who concern themselves to eulogize members of the Waffen SS and their "bravery" are precisely those sort of people who wallow in their own brutality "in the deepest peace". Any member of the Waffen SS who could now not bear what they did, would be unlikely to join in this debate. He would not eulogize the bravery of his comrades in the slightest and even if he could recall instances of personal bravery the point would be moot when stacked up against the monstrous crimes that his organization committed. Any truly reformed Nazi would prioritize expressions of strong remorse and shame, and would denounce any "admirers" as fools, thugs and hooligans for indulging in such a hateful game. He would rightly denounce those who wish to ignore or marginalize the collosal crimes of Nazism to play schoolboy games as to who was bravest (meaning who was the savagest inhuman scumbag when you really get down to it).

Your denunciation of me has one significant deficiency. We do not live in times of deepest peace. We live in times where there are "fine brave Nazis wanting another go". I'm sure that you as someone who quotes a Nazi in his signature, know this. We live in times full of racial hatred. We live in times where people are still killed for what they are. Those who indulge in this abusive game as to "who was bravest" are either fully paid up members of real Nazi parties today, or are their sympathizers, enablers and apologists. The war never ends. Nazis still need to be crushed. Today. Now. Over and over again. You should get that message. Every time I see American Nazis and their chums faced down by anti-fascist protestors I notice one thing. How quickly they run away. It's the same on forums. They start off pretending to be articulate and reasonable. Interested in military history. It's not long before the Jewbaiting starts. From physical safety. "Brave". My arse! Nazis should know that once they get up from their armchairs they will "have their faces acquainted with the pavement". If you think that is a fantasy, you should try getting out more!

Originally Posted by Heroclitus

That is a high quality rebuttal from one who quotes a prominent American Nazi in his signature. I suppose "the devil can quote scripture for his purpose". Most Nazis are as thick as pig excrement.

As to Nazis, there are Nazis who put on jackboots to beat up and terrorize immigrants (if they can get three Nazis onto one woman for example). And then there are the clever articulate ones behind the scenes who write the weasel words and direct the thugs from a position of absolute physical safety.

But my point still stands. Those who concern themselves to eulogize members of the Waffen SS and their "bravery" are precisely those sort of people who wallow in their own brutality "in the deepest peace". Any member of the Waffen SS who could now not bear what they did, would be unlikely to join in this debate. He would not eulogize the bravery of his comrades in the slightest and even if he could recall instances of personal bravery the point would be moot when stacked up against the monstrous crimes that his organization committed. Any truly reformed Nazi would prioritize expressions of strong remorse and shame, and would denounce any "admirers" as fools, thugs and hooligans for indulging in such a hateful game. He would rightly denounce those who wish to ignore or marginalize the collosal crimes of Nazism to play schoolboy games as to who was bravest (meaning who was the savagest inhuman scumbag when you really get down to it).

Your denunciation of me has one significant deficiency. We do not live in times of deepest peace. We live in times where there are "fine brave Nazis wanting another go". I'm sure that you as someone who quotes a Nazi in his signature, know this. We live in times full of racial hatred. We live in times where people are still killed for what they are. Those who indulge in this abusive game as to "who was bravest" are either fully paid up members of real Nazi parties today, or are their sympathizers, enablers and apologists. The war never ends. Nazis still need to be crushed. Today. Now. Over and over again. You should get that message. Every time I see American Nazis and their chums faced down by anti-fascist protestors I notice one thing. How quickly they run away. It's the same on forums. They start off pretending to be articulate and reasonable. Interested in military history. It's not long before the Jewbaiting starts. From physical safety. "Brave". My arse! Nazis should know that once they get up from their armchairs they will "have their faces acquainted with the pavement". If you think that is a fantasy, you should try getting out more!

@topic; Waffen-SS
You throw in your posts everything together into a sausage machine. Sometimes you use the concept "nazi", sometimes you talk about "German soldiers", sometimes you talk about "Waffen-SS" soldiers. As I told here before there are different types of the Waffen-SS soldiers during the war. It does not need much fantasy to imagine that most of the people who joint the Waffen-SS voluntarily in the years 1939-1944 were fanatic and devoted national socialist, nevertheless even there you have exceptions. These troops fought under German command, but were not exclusively German. You'll find French, Dutch, Norwegian, Albanian, Belgian, Indian, British and countless other Soviet people like Armenians or Turk people fighting in their own divisions. The German army was the Wehrmacht. In the Wehrmacht served 17 million Germans, the Waffen-SS was an army, consisting of divisions from many different nations, much smaller than the Wehrmacht.

In these troops of the Waffen-SS war crimes may have been much more common than under the command of other armies, but by far not all of them were war criminals, especially not those who were joining long before or were conscripted in the last days.

And I was not only talking about the Waffen-SS in reply to your childish attitude of soldiers who cannot bear what they did (sometimes it means what they themselves did, sometimes what their comrades did). It is for most soldiers extremely difficult to live with the war experience, often they have to deal with war crimes, but even if it is not about war crimes, what you do is slaughtering people in the war. The people who have fun with that are extremely rare. I would have confronted you with countless crimes of the oh so brave Western armies, if I thought of you as anyone who is really outraged by the crimes committed by the Waffen-SS, but your tasteless lines give me more the impression of someone who simply is what he is and uses just one label to justify his own immoderateness and his lust for blood. Some use for that the label of the football club, Crips and Bloods go for the wrong tatoos, you prefer a political label you can stick to anyone. And yes, you live in the deepest peace, you are an opulence kid who does not know what the word "war" even means.


@Nazis, my person, everything else off topic

I don't know why you think of me as an American nazi, but I am German. I was just living in the U.S. for a long period of time and heard many interviews of Geroge Lincoln Rockwell and became a "sympathizer". I don't believe that every culture fits to every other culture. I have not seen many organized American nazis outside the TV, but I am sure your stories of your triumphs over them are just fantasies and I wonder why you wonder that they run, when they are beaten. I am sure you would run as well, reality not the same as on your playstation.

We had here in Germany people like you who were obsessed of killing and torturing nazis or what they labelled as them, I can assure you I can handle the danger of clowns like those of the Red Army Fraction.

If you want to kill, go join a war, but do not tell me of your straw puppets.

Originally Posted by Nanninga

@topic; Waffen-SS
You throw in your posts everything together into a sausage machine. Sometimes you use the concept "nazi", sometimes you talk about "German soldiers", sometimes you talk about "Waffen-SS" soldiers. As I told here before there are different types of the Waffen-SS soldiers during the war. It does not need much fantasy to imagine that most of the people who joint the Waffen-SS voluntarily in the years 1939-1944 were fanatic and devoted national socialist, nevertheless even there you have exceptions. These troops fought under German command, but were not exclusively German. You'll find French, Dutch, Norwegian, Albanian, Belgian, Indian, British and countless other Soviet people like Armenians or Turk people fighting in their own divisions. The German army was the Wehrmacht. In the Wehrmacht served 17 million Germans, the Waffen-SS was an army, consisting of divisions from many different nations, much smaller than the Wehrmacht.

In these troops of the Waffen-SS war crimes may have been much more common than under the command of other armies, but by far not all of them were war criminals, especially not those who were joining long before or were conscripted in the last days.

I am very aware of non-German traitors and quislings who fought for the Waffen SS, many of whom went to their deaths unrepentant. I am also aware that those who want to eulogize the fighting qualities of the Waffen SS do so from motives of sympathy with Nazism. Other ways people show their sympathy with Nazism are alos widespread - such as quoting the founder of the American Nazi Party in your signature, that could be a clue. Nazis are scum, pure and simple. Their little fantasies about big German soldiers with big tanks may make them feel better about their small penises. That's what all this "weren't the Waffen SS brave" stuff is all about. I suppose I should feel sorry for today's neo-Nazis who can't get themselves a girlfriend and prefer to fantasize about swastikas, blood and iron, skulls on helmets and all that other fodder for socially and sexually inadequate people, but somehow my bleeding heart liberal empathy evades me when it comes to such pus sucking scum.

Originally Posted by Naninga

And I was not only talking about the Waffen-SS in reply to your childish attitude of soldiers who cannot bear what they did (sometimes it means what they themselves did, sometimes what their comrades did). It is for most soldiers extremely difficult to live with the war experience, often they have to deal with war crimes, but even if it is not about war crimes, what you do is slaughtering people in the war. The people who have fun with that are extremely rare. I would have confronted you with countless crimes of the oh so brave Western armies, if I thought of you as anyone who is really outraged by the crimes committed by the Waffen-SS, but your tasteless lines give me more the impression of someone who simply is what he is and uses just one label to justify his own immoderateness and his lust for blood. Some use for that the label of the football club, Crips and Bloods go for the wrong tatoos, you prefer a political label you can stick to anyone. And yes, you live in the deepest peace, you are an opulence kid who does not know what the word "war" even means.

You have no idea about me. I have not been a soldier but have close members of my family who have known war. I know this from military people - they don't sit around talking about war and find no glory in it. They would puke at the sight of a load of college kids on a forum eulogizing the fighting qualities of a bunch of war criminals like the SS. Soldiers are to be judged by what they did, the context in which they did it and the attitude towards what they did that they hold today. There are many who think they commottied atrocities that they regret and many that think killing Jews or civilians was justified, in all armies. The Waffen SS though was the home of ideological nazis, as you pointed out. Ideological Nazis are people who want to kill me, now, today and in the future. Forgive me then if my attitude towards them is that in the event that they show the slightest sign of gaining the slightest power that they should be crushed by all means necessary, including physical means.

Originally Posted by naninga

I don't know why you think of me as an American nazi, but I am German. I was just living in the U.S. for a long period of time and heard many interviews of Geroge Lincoln Rockwell and became a "sympathizer". I don't believe that every culture fits to every other culture. I have not seen many organized American nazis outside the TV, but I am sure your stories of your triumphs over them are just fantasies and I wonder why you wonder that they run, when they are beaten. I am sure you would run as well, reality not the same as on your playstation.

We had here in Germany people like you who were obsessed of killing and torturing nazis or what they labelled as them, I can assure you I can handle the danger of clowns like those of the Red Army Fraction.

If you want to kill, go join a war, but do not tell me of your straw puppets.

You are a sympathizer with the leader of the American Nazi party. You are German. I am not sure what else your point is. I am not sure I am very interested. The key point about Nazis is not just their views. It is that they organize themselves into political parties and paramilitary organizations to take power. They do this by deceitfully pretending to be rational and moderate, knowing that as with the NSDAP, as soon as the middle classes have voted for them, that they will sweep people's political rights away. There is no need to go and join a war with Nazis as we are permanently in one. Your posts and all the schoolboy masturbation that goes on here on this thread in celebration of fine Aryan blonde men with big tanks between their legs, demonstrates this perfectly.

Originally Posted by Heroclitus

I am very aware of non-German traitors and quislings who fought for the Waffen SS, many of whom went to their deaths unrepentant. I am also aware that those who want to eulogize the fighting qualities of the Waffen SS do so from motives of sympathy with Nazism. Other ways people show their sympathy with Nazism are alos widespread - such as quoting the founder of the American Nazi Party in your signature, that could be a clue. Nazis are scum, pure and simple. Their little fantasies about big German soldiers with big tanks may make them feel better about their small penises. That's what all this "weren't the Waffen SS brave" stuff is all about. I suppose I should feel sorry for today's neo-Nazis who can't get themselves a girlfriend and prefer to fantasize about swastikas, blood and iron, skulls on helmets and all that other fodder for socially and sexually inadequate people, but somehow my bleeding heart liberal empathy evades me when it comes to such pus sucking scum.

I often wonder how many of those in here that go around saying such absurdities are as open about it in their real life.

So many in here try to paint pictures of themselves as perfect little aryans. I wonder if any of them would have the cajones to put such a bumpersticker on their car, ot go to their co-workers and say even a fraction of the things to them that they do in here.

I picture Nazi's in today's world as either sad individuals living off of foodstamps and raging at the world for the injustice they have to live with, or people who eat their own livers every day, being forced to work with their obvious inferiors at McDonalds.

in november vote national socialism.
Waffen SS GDH
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