Thread: Nazis vs Communists, International Civil War 1

The fight between right and left wingers is obsolete.

ON HAVING A CORRECT
UNDERSTANDING OF
NATIONALISM

by Kim Jong Il

It is important to have a correct understanding of
nationalism. Only when they have such an understanding can
people achieve national unity, champion the interests of the
nation and contribute to the shaping of its destiny.
Nationalism came into being as an ideology for defending
the interests of a nation in the course of the latter’s formation
and development. Although nations differ from one another in
the period of their formation, every nation is a social
community which has been formed and consolidated
historically on the basis of a common kinship descent,
language, residential area and culture, and is composed of
various classes and strata. There is no person in any country or
in any society who exists outside his or her nation, separate
from it. Every person belongs to a class or stratum, and at the
same time to a nation, endowing that person with both a
national and a class character. Class character and national
character and the demands of classes and nation are inseparable
from each other. As a matter of fact, the classes and strata of a
nation entertain different demands and interests owing to their
different social and economic functions. However, all the
members of a nation have the same stake in championing the
independence and character of the nation and attaining national
prosperity without distinction of the interests of their classes
and strata. This is because the destiny of a nation is precisely
the destiny of its individual members; in other words, the latter
is dependent on the former. None will be happy with the
sovereignty and honour of his or her nation being trampled
upon and national character disregarded. It is the common
ideological feeling and psychology of the members of a nation
to love their nation, cherish its characteristics and interests, and
yearn for its prosperity. Nationalism reflects this feeling and
psychology. In other words, nationalism is an ideology that
advocates love for the nation and defence of its interests. Since
people carve out their destiny while living within the nationstate
as a unit, genuine nationalism constitutes patriotism. The
progressive nature of nationalism lies in the fact that it is a
patriotic ideology which advocates the defence of national
interests.
Nationalism emerged as a progressive idea along with the
formation and development of each nation. However, it was
understood in the past as an ideology that defends bourgeois
interests. It is true that in the days of the nationalist movement
against feudalism, the newly-emergent bourgeoisie, upholding
the banner of nationalism, stood in the van of the movement.
At that time, the interests of both the masses of the people and
the newly-emergent bourgeoisie were basically coincident in
their struggle against feudalism. Therefore, the banner of
nationalism seemed to reflect the common interests of the
nation. As capitalism developed and the bourgeoisie became
the reactionary ruling class after victorious bourgeois
revolutions in various countries, nationalism was used as a
means of defending the interests of the bourgeois class. The
bourgeoisie disguised their class interests as national interests,
and used nationalism as an ideological instrument for
solidifying their class domination. This led nationalism to be
understood, among the people, as a bourgeois ideology that
runs counter to the national interests. We should distinguish
clearly between true nationalism that loves the nation and
defends its interests and bourgeois nationalism that advocates
the interests of the bourgeois class. Bourgeois nationalism
reveals itself as national egoism, national exclusivism and bigpower
chauvinism in the relationship between countries and
nations; it is reactionary in that it creates antagonism and
disagreement between countries and nations, and checks the
development of friendly relations between the various peoples
of the world.
The original revolutionary theory of the working class
failed to give a correct explanation of nationalism. It paid
major attention to strengthening the international unity and
solidarity of the working class all over the world–the
fundamental problem in the then socialist movement–failing to
pay due attention to the national problem. It went so far as to
regard nationalism as an anti-socialist ideological trend,
because bourgeois nationalism was doing great harm to the
socialist movement. This is why progressive people in the past
rejected nationalism, considering it incompatible with
communism.
It is wrong to view communism as incompatible with
nationalism. Communism does not advocate only the interests
of the working class; it also advocates the interests of the
nation–hence it is an ideology of loving the country and the
people. Nationalism is also an ideology of loving the country
and the people, as it defends the interests of the country and the
nation. Love of the country and the people is an ideological
emotion common to communism and nationalism; herein lies
the ideological basis on which they can ally with one another.
Therefore, there is no reason or ground to pit one against the
other, and reject nationalism.
Nationalism does not conflict with internationalism. Mutual
help, support and alliance between countries and nations–this is
internationalism. Every country has its borders, and every
nation has its identity, and revolution and construction are
carried on with the country and nation as a unit. For this
reason, internationalism finds its expressions in the
relationships between countries and between nations, a
prerequisite for which is nationalism. Internationalism divorced
from the concepts of nation and nationalism is merely an empty
shell. A man who is unconcerned about the destiny of his
country and nation cannot be faithful to internationalism.
Revolutionaries of each country should be faithful to
internationalism by struggling, first of all, for the prosperity of
their own country and nation.
For the first time in history, the great leader President
Kim Il Sung gave a correct explanation of nationalism, and
elucidated the relationship between communism and
nationalism and between communists and nationalists in his
revolutionary practice of carving out the destiny of his country
and people. He said that in order to be a true communist one
must first become a true nationalist. With a determination to
devote his life to his country and fellow-countrymen, he
embarked on the road of revolution in his early years and
created the immortal Juche idea, on the basis of which he
established a Juche-oriented outlook on the nation, and
scientifically expounded the essence and progressive character
of nationalism. Through a correct combination of class
character with national character and of the destiny of
socialism with that of the nation, he realized an alliance
between communists and nationalists, cemented the class and
national positions of our socialism and led the nationalists to
join the efforts for socialist construction and national
reunification. Attracted by his broad magnanimity and noble
personality, many nationalists took the patriotic road to
national unity and national reunification, making a clean break
with their erroneous pasts. Kim Ku, a life-long anti-communist,
allied with communists, a patriotic changeover, in the twilight
of his life, and Choe Tok Sin, a nationalist, was able to find
salvation as a patriot in the leader’s embrace. The great leader
treasured and championed the independence not only of our
nation but also of the peoples of the rest of the world. He
devoted all his efforts to the cause of making the whole world
independent, as well as to the Korean revolution. We can say
that there has been no man in the world as great as him, who
devoted his whole life to the nation’s independence and
prosperity, and a bright future for mankind. He was the most
steadfast communist and, at the same time, a peerless patriot,
true nationalist and paragon among internationalists.
I also assert, as the leader instructed, that one must be an
ardent patriot, a true nationalist, in order to become a genuine
revolutionary, a communist. The communist who fights for the
realization of the independence of the masses of the people
must first of all be a true nationalist. Those who fight for their
people, their country and their homeland are genuine
communists, true nationalists and ardent patriots.

Those who do not love their own parents, brothers and sisters cannot love
their country and compatriots. Likewise, those who do not love
their own homeland and people cannot become communists.
We are inheriting with fidelity the great leader’s noble idea of
loving the country, the nation and the people, and making
every effort to rally all the sections of the nation by dint of allembracing
politics, and lead them to the road of patriotism.
It is not communists but imperialists who oppose
nationalism and place obstacles in the way of the independent
development of nations at present. The imperialists are
manoeuvring cunningly to realize their dominationist ambition
on the plea of “globalization” and “integration.” They claim
that the ideal of building a sovereign nation-state or the love
for country and nation is a “national prejudice lagging behind
the times,” and “globalization” and “integration” are the trend
of the times in the present situation, when science and
technology are developing rapidly and economic exchanges
between countries are being conducted briskly on an
international scale. Today, when every country and nation is
carving out its own destiny with its own ideology, system and
culture, there can never be a political, economic, ideological
and cultural “integration” of the world. The manoeuvres of the
US imperialists for “globalization” and “integration” are aimed
at turning the world into what they call a “free” and
“democratic” world styled after the United States, and thus
bringing all countries and nations under their domination and
subordination. The present era is one of independence. Human
history is propelled by the struggle of the masses of the people
for independence, not by the dominationist ambition and
aggressive policy of the imperialists. The manoeuvres of the
imperialists for “globalization” and “integration” are doomed
to failure, as they are opposed by the vigorous efforts of the
world’s peoples aspiring after independence.
We should resolutely oppose and reject the manoeuvres of
the imperialists for “globalization” and “integration,” and
staunchly fight to preserve the excellent characteristics of our
nation and safeguard its independence. We frequently
emphasize the Korean-nation-first principle so as to preserve
the national character and defend the independence of the
nation.
A most important task facing us today in championing and
realizing national independence is to reunify the country. Our
nation, which has inherited a time-honoured history and culture
and the tradition of patriotism, has been divided into north and
south by foreign forces for more than half a century. The
division of the territory and the nation is blocking the way for
the nation’s concerted development, and inflicting untold
misery and hardship upon it. National reunification is not only
a vital demand of our people but also the unanimous will and
aspiration of the entire nation.
The historical Pyongyang Meeting and the June 15 NorthSouth
Joint Declaration ushered in a new era of great national unity
and independent reunification. The North-South Joint Declaration
stipulates all the principles and ways for solving the problems
arising in reunifying the country independently by the united
efforts of our own nation. The declaration is a programme
of national unity and a general principle of national reunification,
based on the idea of “by our nation itself” and permeated
with the spirit of loving the country and people. The
substantial guarantee for independence, peace and national
reunification lies in supporting and thoroughly carrying out
the declaration. Holding aloft the North-South Joint
Declaration as a general principle of reunification,
the entire nation must launch a nationwide struggle
to accomplish the historic cause of national reunification.

Originally Posted by grantedpanda

There is a rising political struggle being seen the world over. The battle lines are drawn. You either support the Nazis, or you support the Communists which do you choose?

There is more truth to this thread than most people realise. With higher unemployment, populations are going to become more polarized. Ethnic/class conflict may be a natural human reaction to scarcity.

Originally Posted by John Sholtes

Hitler’s freedom from International Debt Slavery

You know, there is a general term for individuals who use a copy and paste of the works of others and do not reference it or admit that it is not their own work. It is call "plagarism", and the individual that does that is considered to be a "thief".

FYI, that article was written by Abdul Alhazred, the pseudonym of a noted internet Anti-Semite. The name is false, it comes from a character from H. P. Lovecraft. In Lovecraftian lore, he is the author of the Necronomicon, and often refered to as the "Mad Arab".

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720

So next time if you are going to just do a copy and paste, admit to us where you stole it from.

Good link but I didn't get it from there and never claimed authorship as you ill see plenty of references throughout the post. Didn't see any references to Lucifer either.

Maybe it is your way of distracting from the subject. If you want information on National Socialism goto Hitler said: and listen to the man who created it.
Hitler said:
Hitler said:

Neither. I'd allow these two to fight it out and then destroy the last one standing.

Originally Posted by John Sholtes

Good link but I didn't get it from there and never claimed authorship as you ill see plenty of references throughout the post. Didn't see any references to Lucifer either.

So you got it from another source that copied from there, big deal. You did not say who wrote it however, or the original source.

Originally Posted by John Sholtes

Maybe it is your way of distracting from the subject.

No, It is just that copy and paste from somewhere else does not quantify your claims. Especially when they are made by a known anti-semite. That falls in the category of tainted evidence.

Originally Posted by John Sholtes

If you want information on National Socialism goto Hitler said: and listen to the man who created it.
Hitler said:
Hitler said:

History fail.

Hitler did not create "National Socialism". That credit actually goes to somebody named Anton Drexler.



Oh, and this is your claim to proof, another anti-semitic copy and paste of yet another unsourced web page?

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Andre.../1936-1948.htm

This is the real source of that cover you used to open the article. You are not even a creative anti-semite, you simply steal the hate of others and use it as your own.

And yes, it is obvious when you steal.

Anton Drexler was a Munich locksmith and member of the völkisch agitators who, together with journalist Karl Harrer, founded the German Workers' Party (DAP) in 1919. At the behest of Adolf Hitler who had the party shortly afterwards, Drexler changed the name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) early in 1920. Hitler finally wrested control of the party from Drexler in the autumn of 1921, and Drexler had to content himself with the post of honorary chairman.

behest of Adolf Hitler and because It was Adolf Hitler that initiated The National Socialist Party.

You might notice that most of what I post is aleady censored by the jews who are taking control of the internet hope it doesn't happen here too.