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    Quote Originally Posted by ryobi View Post
    I wonder what the criterea is for, "rape" in this story because according to feminists having sex after a couple drinks is, "rape" among other seemingly inocous things and feminists are funded by the government so.....????
    You may have a point there. The DoD standard for consent says that a person is considered to be unable to give consent after one drink in a given night - even just one beer. If you pick up a girl in a bar and have sex, it can be considered non-consensual, and therefore rape by this definition.

    I wonder how prevalent rape would be among the peers of our military members (basically college students) if this standard was used universally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliJ View Post


    A new report by the US Defense Department, Pentagon, says almost three rapes occur every hour in the US military, raising serious concern about the soaring rate of sexual assault among US servicemen.

    According to the Pentagon, sexual assaults in the military have increased to the alarming level of 70 per day or three every hour, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

    The report added that 26,000 service members were sexually assaulted in 2012, a 35-percent increase since 2010 when 19,000 such cases were reported.

    However, the overall rate of sexual assault in the US military may be higher, as many victims fail to report out of fear of vengeance or lack of justice under the military’s system of prosecution, the report added.

    “The more closed and hierarchical an institution is, the more the victim is stigmatized and the rapist gets away with it,” said Susan Brooks, pastor and volunteer rape crisis counselor.

    Brooks went on to condemn the US military for maintaining a culture of gender and power relations, which she says produces the rape culture among service members.

    Many high-ranking US military commanders have recently been convicted and relieved of duties for multiple sexual offenses and corruption over the years.

    On May 6, authorities said Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Krusinski, director of the sexual assault prevention program for the US Air Force, has himself been detained for sexually assaulting a woman not far from the military headquarters in Arlington, Virginia.

    In 2012, over 30 male Air Force boot camp trainers were cited for sexually harassing, abusing and raping at least 59 military recruits at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05...n-us-military/

    and this is not like the invasions where they say "What happens in, stays in.." It is even in their own army.. So sad..
    What the link doesn't tell you is the fact that the majority of sexual assault victims in the military are men.
    I don't post here any more because it's impossible to have an honest discussion with dishonest people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiimjered View Post
    You may have a point there. The DoD standard for consent says that a person is considered to be unable to give consent after one drink in a given night - even just one beer. If you pick up a girl in a bar and have sex, it can be considered non-consensual, and therefore rape by this definition.

    I wonder how prevalent rape would be among the peers of our military members (basically college students) if this standard was used universally.
    ...and ironically a man buying a drink for a women he would like to know has traditionally been considered a polite gesture. I guess these days it would be considered attempted rape.
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    Virtually everyone of them is simply consensual sex. Those "victims" have sex with male soldiers, get jealous or mad at them, and then report them as rapists. Due to political correctness and affirmative action, such incidents scare the hell out of commanders who are quick to find the hapless male soldier guilty as charged.

    Women are a burden and trouble-making cumbersome drag on the military, and have no place there.

    The military has become a mecca for females, lesbians, gays and other "minorities" looking for a free affirmative-action ride and sex at the expense of male soldiers.

    Military commanders are terrified of these bullies and let them have their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nom de plume View Post
    Virtually everyone of them is simply consensual sex. Those "victims" have sex with male soldiers, get jealous or mad at them, and then report them as rapists. Due to political correctness and affirmative action, such incidents scare the hell out of commanders who are quick to find the hapless male soldier guilty as charged.
    Actually, that is very rare. I only am aware of one incident like that happening in my 16 years in the military, and it was tossed out of trial (both people however were convicted of making false statements).

    For one, the majority are not even rapes, but "sexual assaults". This can be as little as touching somebody else on the bottom, all the way up to attempted rape. The military does not keep separate statistics however, so it is impossible to tell how far it went.

    However, most of the rapes I was involved in (I was a Sexual Assault Counselor in one unit) did not involve military perps, but civilians. Generally it was a servicemember who was out in town and was assaulted and raped by a civilian, not by another servicemember. But we do not track reports that way at all, only by who the individual reporting the crime was.

    And I do not want to even get into how Restricted and Unrestricted reports skew the data also. But Restricted means that the chain of command is told somebody was sexually assaulted, and nothing else. Not the person, or the perp, where, how, nothing. And the majority of reports are Restricted (think of it as Restricted calling a Rape Hotline, and Unrestricted as calling Law Enforcement).

    One of the few that was unrestricted involved a guy who was given a drug cocktail at a bar, and woke up in the desert being raped by another man. He fought off the guy and wandered out into the desert until he could find a phone and call for help. We got him treatment, counseling, and help because the concoction slipped into his drink included cocaine, barbiturates, and flunitrazepam ("Ruffies").

    Most sexual assaults are never charged simply because command is never told who was involved (or anything more then an attack happened). And most of the rest little happens because there is simply not enough to prosecute ("Specialist X was drink at a party, and groped PFC Y's bottom. She pushed him away and he tried again before she pushed him to the ground and left.")

    Yes, that is an example of one Unrestricted Sexual Assault I worked with. And no, no action was taken because what could the command do? They could start Article 15 proceedings, and he could request a Court Martial. Was there enough evidence and clear facts to justify a Court Martial conviction? No, no more then an Attorney General would take such an incident to a trial.

    And with your tirade against females, gays and minorities, I think I can safely flush this and anything else you have said from mind, it is nothing but discrimination and nonsense, with little fact. I have spent over 16 years in uniform so far, under every President since Reagan. How much time have you spent in uniform to be able to make those charges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    The breakdown in discipline begins at the top. The Commander-in-Chief's malfeasance has broken morale.
    Because the military had no sexual assault problem prior to Obama right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAngryPants View Post
    What the link doesn't tell you is the fact that the majority of sexual assault victims in the military are men.
    You have a source for that?
    sputterman: "Aiding the enemy? If the truth aids the enemy then we are in the wrong war."

    Me: "When the people who teach our children, protect us from fires and criminals, save our lives when we're injured, and defend us with their very lives make less in a year than a guy who throws a ball for a living makes in an hour, there is something truly (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up with our country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Questerr View Post
    You have a source for that?
    Actually, he is correct.

    In its latest report on sexual assault, the Pentagon estimated that 26,000 service members experienced unwanted sexual contact in 2012, up from 19,000 in 2010. Of those cases, the Pentagon says, 53 percent involved attacks on men, mostly by other men.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/us...tims.html?_r=0

    This is something that those of us "in the know" have known for years, but have not talked about because of the stigma usually associated with it. Do not forget, I have been a counselor in the past, and about half of the victims are men (in a previous post I gave a fairly descriptive example of one such incident).

    Most of the stats are actually not available, because most of the reports are Restricted (as in "nothing reported but that an assault happened"), but about half of them are by men against men. And probably 60% are by civilian perpetrators.

    In my experience, most of the "military rapes" are along the lines of "date rape", normally where one or the other (or both) are intoxicated at the time. The majority of the rest are from anonymous people, so there is no telling if it is military or civilian.

    And do not forget that most of what the media passes off as "military rape statistics" are in reality "military sexual assault statistics", which are not actually rape at all.
    Last edited by Mushroom; Nov 17 2013 at 10:44 PM.
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    I love that most of the people theorizing about what constitutes rape are accusing Assange for it without second thought.

    On topic i think that this attitude is pretty much expected given that those guys are products of a decadent society .
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    OK, let me give some information here about what actually goes into most "sexual assault" and "rape" statistics from the military.

    For one, most of it in the civilian world is pure guesswork. Why? Well, most women (and even more men) will never come forward if they have truly been sexually assaulted. I am not talking about the unwanted groping, but the "hold a knife to your throat - push you to the ground - pull your pants off" assault-rape.

    The military is no different here then the civilian side is. Most such attacks are never reported, either from shame or embarrassment. So all either the Civilian or Military can do is make an "educated guess". In the civilian world, they estimate. In the military world, they work hard to make a "restricted" side, so that hopefully they can get some kind of real data.

    Now I have said this before, let me say it more clearly for those that do not know. In the military, there are two kinds of reports. In a restricted report, the victim goes to an individual in a unit such as I was (a certified SARC representative), clergy, or authorized medical personnel and says they have been raped or assaulted.

    Now if one of us gets the report, we ask if they want this report Restricted, or Unrestricted.

    If it is Restricted, we take them to get medical treatment, and arrange for them to get psychological treatment. We then write up a report telling the chain of command "An individual was sexually assaulted on XXX night", and that is it. No identification is made of the victim or the perp. It does not matter if we know that Corporal Jane was raped by Sergeant Steve, we follow the individual's wishes, and only report that an attack took place.

    Now if this person goes to anybody other then those I listed (sexual assault counselor, medical personnel, or clergy), then it is automatically Unrestricted. Also they can tell one of us if they want their report Restricted or Unrestricted (we have to ask which they wish). If they ask for restricted, that is it. End of game, command is only told it happened.

    If it is unrestricted, well, stand by. Because generally if the individual is in the military, the Holy Wrath of God is about to come down upon them.

    Now I myself fell into this role in kind of an unusual way. I joined the Army rather late (10 years Marine Corps, 14 years civilian). I was at the rank that most were in their late teens-early 20's. So to many I was a kind of a "father figure". Heck, I was older then most of their parents. But a lot of people felt comfortable talking to me because I was more or less the same rank, even though I was decades older. So my unit made use of that, thinking I could help some of those that had been abused. Getting them to come forward without feeling like they had done anything wrong.

    Here is where I tend to get "hazy" in what I can and can not say. In cases where the individual said they wanted to make an "unrestricted report", I can be fairly candid, saying most everything but their name and who attacked them (if known). If they said they wanted it Restricted, I can only hint at generalities. Never really picking out any single incident, only giving a general impression without actually saying anything serious (unless I can validate it with other sources).

    For people in my position, confidentiality is key. And the sad fact is that of all the reports I handled either directly or indirectly (over 20), only a handful were Unrestricted.

    And only Unrestricted reports can be pursued by military justice.

    And I am sure that that is around half of the real number, if not less. Both my late fiancée and wife had been raped prior to my meeting them (one knew her attacker, one did not). But neither of them reported this to law enforcement. So that alone gives me a good idea how many are reported and how many are not.

    And as a final parting message, I encourage everybody to remember this fact. All "military sexual assault" statistics are collected not based upon who the perpetrator is, but upon who the victim is. While every victim of a "military sexual assault" is in the military, that does not mean that every perpetrator in in the military. In general, only about half of them in my experience were actually in the military when it came to actual rapes or attempted rapes. Most of the "garden variety" in appropriate contact was military I will freely admit (unwanted suggestions/innuendo/gropings). But when it comes to actually "pushing the person down and connecting genital A to genital B", at least half were civilians who did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutmekep View Post
    I love that most of the people theorizing about what constitutes rape are accusing Assange for it without second thought.
    And who here has said (*)(*)(*)(*) about Assange?

    How about learning the facts before opening your freaking pie hole?
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    John Stuart Mills

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