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Old 06-08-2008, 08:12 PM
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I have always like to use the analogous when it comes to Saddam: What if you have a man known for using WMD's standing in a school yard full of kids, with a back pack on saying that he was going to explode it if he did not get what he wanted. An officer decides to shoot him in the head before he could explode his back pack. After shooting him dead they discover that all he had was his laundry in the pack sack. This leads Liberals to call for the officers arrest and conviction for murder.

The question is; When Liberals try to convict the officer for the murder of a known WMD exploder, are they right or wrong?
i am trying to understand your analogy
we have saddam, known to have gassed his opposition, wearing a backpack. i am with you this far
however, how does having him stand in the middle of a school yard filled with children, threatening to explode his backpack if he did not get what he wanted have anything to do with the actual scenario we faced?
to continue your comparison, at best, saddam is on his front porch, wearing an ankle bracelet, isolated from citizens of any other country, hoisting his clentched fist in the air because the restrictions imposed cause him personal embarrassment in addition to atrophy of his authority and income
in that more realistic vignette he poses no real threat; by continuing to isolate him from significant interaction, saddam's ability to inflict harm is diminished daily
going back to your analogy, the problems saddam caused will have ended with the shooting of him while those who shot him will be the ones afflicted by trouble thereafter. but now we know from our actual experience that the party which ended saddam's life is indeed experiencing ongoing difficulties. and the massive problems which survived saddam's death, while not foreseen, are certainly real ... and costly. that action against saddam proved to be foolish
in short, your imagined comparison is invalid to accept as a reasonable analogy to the actual events. try again
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i am trying to understand your analogy
we have saddam, known to have gassed his opposition, wearing a backpack. i am with you this far
however, how does having him stand in the middle of a school yard filled with children, threatening to explode his backpack if he did not get what he wanted have anything to do with the actual scenario we faced?
to continue your comparison, at best, saddam is on his front porch, wearing an ankle bracelet, isolated from citizens of any other country, hoisting his clentched fist in the air because the restrictions imposed cause him personal embarrassment in addition to atrophy of his authority and income
in that more realistic vignette he poses no real threat; by continuing to isolate him from significant interaction, saddam's ability to inflict harm is diminished daily
going back to your analogy, the problems saddam caused will have ended with the shooting of him while those who shot him will be the ones afflicted by trouble thereafter. but now we know from our actual experience that the party which ended saddam's life is indeed experiencing ongoing difficulties. and the massive problems which survived saddam's death, while not foreseen, are certainly real ... and costly. that action against saddam proved to be foolish
in short, your imagined comparison is invalid to accept as a reasonable analogy to the actual events. try again
Typical liberal loonie response. Child like response from a naive mind. No threat to America can be contained totally. He had terrorist plots in the works through his Fedayeen army (Google FBI reports on their findings of papers after the fall of the regime). Not to mention his financing of Palestinian bombers.

There is another important part about Saddam that is not mentioned. He was under the treat of being killed by factions within his own country that could of left Iraq in peril of falling to even even more troubling people..
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There are 2 sets of reasons for going to war against Iraq. The first set is all the reasons Bush and his administration gave. They are not the real reasons. Once you realize that, then you can start to comprehend what the real reasons are.
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What exactly has ended up being the reasoning? Was it WMD, terrorist links or regime change?
Because we are a bunch of morons.

I don't know the real reason (although the above one sounds pretty nice and accurate to me). I do know that there was no justifiable reason though.
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O.K. I made the liberals on this site mad...
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We went to war with Iraq to get the attention off our failed hunt for Osama (obama bamma fo sama fee fi fo famma - sorry couldn't resist) bin Laden. we should have finished that job first before thinking about Iraq.
I guess this blows that PNAC conspiracy out of the water.
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These sound like the arguments Clinton probable gave at 3am in the morning when asked if it was OK to take out Osama by the CIA.
I thought it was a decision made on the advice of lawyers in depts? Clinton did not pack depts with lawyers who would do whatever he wanted ala Bush. Look at the books the former lawyers for Bush are writing.

and I think the rules stunk, but they were the rules. but out of a sense of partisan idiocy you can't figure that one out on your own, can you?

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The reasons to go to war are many and have been stated many many many times, and yet are ignored by those of hate.

I have not changed my mind about anything involving the decision to go to war. I looked very hard to find some way to change my mind, but could not find any.

I am unhappy with the way the outcome of the war has been represented by those in favor of it. I find it ridiculous that People like McCain, O'reilly, and Hannity say that Bush mishandled the war.
I have not changed my mind either (how many times do I say I still support going in, but the timing could've been better?). I am puzzled why you do not see the valid criticisms.

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With the endless evidence the war has gone exactly as it should have, given the the situations that have arisen since its beginning. This is where the real debate should be right now. Not why we went to war, but how have the situations of the war effected its outcome.
The war has gone as planned? Most of those involved disagree. We screwed up when we stayed. Nation building does not work even in ares that claim to want it. We can help nations rebuild, but we cannot rebuild them.

and that ridiculous March of Freedom.

geesh!
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