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Many times I have seen the US government claim that the fighters and insurgents in Iraq receive training and arms from Iran. Is there any proof to this? I have not seen any. Is the support through the government or through small factions? I notice a lot of people are taking these comments at face value but knowing the Bush Administration's track record of dishonesty I'm betting this is another propaganda tool.
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You must not be looking very hard. Your own country's intelligence community agrees that they are supporting terrorism.


http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/t...5.php?CID=2721

According to Canadian intelligence, "[i]n February 1999, it was reported that Palestinian police discovered documents that attest to the transfer of $35 million to Hamas from the Iranian Intelligence Service (MOIS), money reportedly meant to finance terrorist activities against Israeli targets." Illustrating how such support is part of official government policy, from 2001 to 2006, Iran transferred $50 million to Hizballah fronts in Lebanon by sending funds from its central bank through Bank Saderat's London subsidiary."
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You must not be looking very hard. Your own country's intelligence community agrees that they are supporting terrorism.


http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/t...5.php?CID=2721

According to Canadian intelligence, "[i]n February 1999, it was reported that Palestinian police discovered documents that attest to the transfer of $35 million to Hamas from the Iranian Intelligence Service (MOIS), money reportedly meant to finance terrorist activities against Israeli targets." Illustrating how such support is part of official government policy, from 2001 to 2006, Iran transferred $50 million to Hizballah fronts in Lebanon by sending funds from its central bank through Bank Saderat's London subsidiary."
I think he asked the question about iraq.
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You must not be looking very hard. Your own country's intelligence community agrees that they are supporting terrorism.


http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/t...5.php?CID=2721

According to Canadian intelligence, "[i]n February 1999, it was reported that Palestinian police discovered documents that attest to the transfer of $35 million to Hamas from the Iranian Intelligence Service (MOIS), money reportedly meant to finance terrorist activities against Israeli targets." Illustrating how such support is part of official government policy, from 2001 to 2006, Iran transferred $50 million to Hizballah fronts in Lebanon by sending funds from its central bank through Bank Saderat's London subsidiary."
First of all none of these allegations show the Iranian government was involved and none of them show support for the fighting in Iraq.

Did you completely miss my question?
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I'm surprised that the "leftist" media is not questioning the administration and their allegations.
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There is tons of evidence though not conclusive. I'm not going to dig up a bunch as its pretty easy, just google "iran weapons iraq" or something...but here is the first article that came up with one search:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...1692347&page=1
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I think he asked the question about iraq.
It goes to character. Read the link. Think a bit, then read this link.
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.ph...k=view&id=1510

And this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2688501

But I guess their track record and the rest of the above is not going to be enough to convince ya. Thats cool.
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It goes to character. Read the link. Think a bit, then read this link.
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.ph...k=view&id=1510

And this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2688501

But I guess their track record and the rest of the above is not going to be enough to convince ya. Thats cool.
Same link posted as eq.

This was all the evidence posted.
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What the United States says links them to Iran are tell-tale manufacturing signatures -- certain types of machine-shop welds and material indicating they are built by the same bomb factory.
That is not evidence. Why not let a panel of non-partisan machinists look at these weapons. Like I said. These are very harsh allegations. If someone said the same about the US we would have every single American Nationalist foaming at the mouth for proof.
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Not that I expect you to. But you need to look at their activities in the past, both with AQ and other groups. Then look at the weapon deal. What would letting machinists look at them do? Are they somehow experts in foreign arms?

You will never be happy with anything less than a verbal admittance by their gov.
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This was all the evidence posted. That is not evidence.
Besides the contradiction, you obviously don't understand the meaning of evidence. There is plenty more, though as I said not yet conclusive. They use proxies after all, have a long record of it, and even proudly brag about it so that they can fool gullible, tolerant, peaceful Westerners in to spouting ignorant propaganda on their evil behalf. But, I am sure you will discount anything as you appeasers are well motivated to believe whatever the hell you want.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/aug/11/iraq.iran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297777,00.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=3640584
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...493055554.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/20/iraq.main/
http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/17052
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