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I'm considering 3 seperate facets. First would be a strike by the US or Israel against the Iranian reactor and/or Centerfuges

And the last being what one would anticipate if outright conflict broke out.

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Israel alone has some Issues. I just don't think they have an aircraft up to the tasked of getting to the Iranian targets and back. Just too far. I could be wrong of course due to in air refuling. They might be able to get a strike eagle there and back.

Another Israli option would be using some of their Corvettes to slam missiles into the coastal reactor. I think if they launched a swarm of missiles enough could get though to take the thing down for at least a while.

If they want to mess with the centerfuges I think their only option is longer range missiles. I'm not so sure about how effective that would really be. The targets are underground but there is stuff around, they could mess things up.

HOwever once you start talking about those options you're starting to have to fly stuff over US/Iraqi airspace which is a seperate problem.
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A US strike would be easier of course. Plenty of long range bombers with cruise missiles, aircraft carriers to give them range, and a handful of close airbases.

I'm thinking the reactor would be screwed it's just so vulnerable.

Centerfuges are again harder. We've gotten some time playing around with the Russian radar systems Iran is using, so they probably know about how viable sending in stealth bombers is. I think that would have a lot to do with how through the damage is. Also how far away we can have our ships when we do this. And advantage of the bombers is that they can get home. But ships in the region would be vulnerable.

Still I think we'd get both.
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Next would be Irans reaction. I'm not sure if this would be different if it was just Israel or the US that did it.

THeir tech is a little behind the curve, but they'll put a lot of missiles in the air and some targets are in trouble. Aside from ships I don't know that the Iranian systems are good for specifica targets but hitting cities and the like would be in order.

If it comes to outright combat I think a lot would come down to how well older fighters can perform against newer ones. I don't just mean Mig-29 vs Raptor. Iran has a lot of old stuff running like F-5's Not sure how to call it. Though my inclenation would be that we would control airspace outside of Iran solidly. Inside Iran planes would have to worry about ground based systems. I don't know how we'd fair. Though my inclenation is the Raptor would prove itself.
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You know, the thing about Israel that most people don't seem to understand is that Israel actually does make a lot of decisions without caring about the United States approval. Israel might strike against Iran by itself whether we like it or not.
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You know, the thing about Israel that most people don't seem to understand is that Israel actually does make a lot of decisions without caring about the United States approval. Israel might strike against Iran by itself whether we like it or not.
I know. Hence the "Israel alone" question. If they acted on their own what could they do and what could they achieve.

The I didn't have a "Israel war only" question because I figure Iran will start at the least firing missiles over Iraqi airspace and at worst will actively start targeting American units even if it was all the Israelis up to that point.
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I know. Hence the "Israel alone" question. If they acted on their own what could they do and what could they achieve.

The I didn't have a "Israel war only" question because I figure Iran will start at the least firing missiles over Iraqi airspace and at worst will actively start targeting American units even if it was all the Israelis up to that point.
Israel is capable of launching an offensive so discretely that America won't even know that anything ever happened and Iran is removed as a threat within a week.
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Israel is capable of launching an offensive so discretely that America won't even know that anything ever happened and Iran is removed as a threat within a week.
that's very unlikely. one of my friends is working on missile projects in ministry of defense. he couldn't tell me everything but he assured me that we will have no problems against Israel. yet US remains a threat due to advanced army, but he said that we can destroy Israel within days. correctness of his words are approved for me, but I can't find any proof or info about what he's saying.
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that's very unlikely. one of my friends is working on missile projects in ministry of defense. he couldn't tell me everything but he assured me that we will have no problems against Israel. yet US remains a threat due to advanced army, but he said that we can destroy Israel within days. correctness of his words are approved for me, but I can't find any proof or info about what he's saying.
We have no problems against Israel because Israel has no problems with us.

We could destroy the world in days. Remember those things that we have thousands of called "nukes"?
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We have no problems against Israel because Israel has no problems with us.

We could destroy the world in days. Remember those things that we have thousands of called "nukes"?
I mean Iran by "we".
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I mean Iran by "we".
hahahahahahhahahahaahhahahaahhahahahahahahahahahah ahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahaha Iran cannot nearly even begin to think about touching Israel. You are quite the kidder.
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hahahahahahhahahahaahhahahaahhahahahahahahahahahah ahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahaha Iran cannot nearly even begin to think about touching Israel. You are quite the kidder.
at least you became happy by what I said, that's enough for me. I already said, I have no proof, nor did I say the whole story. you suppose that I was kidding, that's OK with me!
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that's very unlikely. one of my friends is working on missile projects in ministry of defense. he couldn't tell me everything but he assured me that we will have no problems against Israel. yet US remains a threat due to advanced army, but he said that we can destroy Israel within days. correctness of his words are approved for me, but I can't find any proof or info about what he's saying.
Did he say how he thought you could beat Israel within days?

While both sides have interdiction aircraft the ranges aren't far enough without having to refuel over Iraqi airspace to get at each other. No bombers in either force. Also the Navies aren't really that offensive a force on either side.

Land battle is out if you just want Israel.

So that seems to indicate that conflict would be about the long range missiles. I'm not sure exactly how well that will work. Iran has a lot of missiles. But once they're spent they're spent.

And they have to cross Iraqi airspace to get to their target. Increasing the odds the US will get pulled in.
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