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Old 05-20-2008, 06:51 PM
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Default Iranians Would Welcome Airstrikes, Sources Say

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 3:56 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

As Barack Obama and John McCain thrash it out over how they would deal with Iran, voices from inside Iran are weighing in with an unusual message: If the United States strikes hard and fast, we will support you.


http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/ira.../20/97564.html


I don't know who Kenneth Timmerman is, but I'm curious to people's opinions on this. Please spare me the "propganda" routine as well.
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Wow, that was a very enlightening article. I have always known that there was friction between the fundamentalists and the moderates but never at that level of government, and never that anyone in Iran could seriously support that.
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I hope this holds a little more water than Bush's "We will be greeted as liberators..." Apparently he forgot to mention only a small part population would greet us that way.
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Interesting fact to remember, in the Iraq-Iran War after the initial failed Iraqi invasion, the Iranians were offered peace, the Ayatollah refused and launched his own offensive into Iraq. That invasion failed too, but it managed to 'energize the Revolution' and the people were filled with fervent patriotism against the invader, domestic opposition to the regime all but disappeared by those years of war.

The tactic of quelling internal dissent by using distraction of a foreign threat is actually an age-old fascist tactic, as Hermann Goring said “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Fact remaining, if any strikes come it will mean all the people rally around a political system and leader who has been loosing popularity anyways.

Also, the only viable replacement for the Iranian government, the only group with the support and contacts, are the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran, a Marxist-Islamic organization, not someone the US would wish anyways.

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Interesting fact to remember, in the Iraq-Iran War after the initial failed Iraqi invasion, the Iranians were offered peace, the Ayatollah refused and launched his own offensive into Iraq. That invasion failed too, but it managed to 'energize the Revolution' and the people were filled with fervent patriotism against the invader, domestic opposition to the regime all but disappeared by those years of war.

The tactic of quelling internal dissent by using distraction of a foreign threat is actually an age-old fascist tactic, as Hermann Goring said “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Fact remaining, if any strikes come it will mean all the people rally around a political system and leader who has been loosing popularity anyways.

Also, the only viable replacement for the Iranian government, the only group with the support and contacts, are the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran, a Marxist-Islamic organization, not someone the US would wish anyways.

That was the tactic used by the Facist Militaristic Government of General Leopoldo Galtieri of Argentina in 1982, when he sent in troops to the Falklands - after initial popularity, his military campagn failed and the people kicked his government out of power just a few weeks later.
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and they would welcome us with flowers, too ... just like our experience in iraq
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“U.S. airstrikes must be powerful and sustained enough to break the myth of the regime’s absolute power and reveal the weakness of the leadership,” a former official who traveled outside of Iran recently said. a traitor to his country he means.

The United States should target the office of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as well as the headquarters of the Revolutionary Guards Corp, the offices of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and that of his predecessor and rival, Mullah Hashemi-Rafsanjani, Iranian sources say. maybe an angry taxi driver was the source, who knows, when you don't have to specify a source, you can say anything! bush is a stupid prick that lies to everyone, sources say. (crestwood is my source)

Such a strike would send a clear message to the Iranian people and to disgruntled officials throughout Iran’s faction-ridden government that the United States is serious about confronting the regime over its bad behavior in Iraq and is willing to strike the leaders responsible for that behavior, the Iranian sources argue. the same bull(*)(*)(*)(*), also not considering the regime's popularity between people. people may have problems with government, they don't have any problems with regime. that looks like the words of stupid trator iranians that ran away from iran back in 1979.

But many Iranians contend that limited strikes would have a limited usefulness, and might even be counter-productive. have they ever seen many iranians? I doubt so.

“The conventional wisdom is that limited strikes will allow the regime to rally the people around the flag,” says Mohebat Ahdiyyih, an Iran media analyst at the office of the director of National Intelligence.

“However, if the U.S. launches a major strike that goes after the leadership in Iran, that’s different,” he told Newsmax. “Most Iranians hate the regime. People would be very happy to see a major strike that took out the leadership.” you should really think about those who are providing information your govenment! is he talking about iranians?

Mr. Ahdiyyih and other Iran analysts speaking at an American Enterprise Institute conference on Monday painted a picture of a bitterly-divided regime in Tehran that is “unstable” and fighting for its survival. another proof that the guy should take professional help, he's definitely psychopath.


“The situation is so bad that former president Mohammad Khatami has said that the hard-liners [close to president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] are worse than al-Qaida,” Ahdiyyih said. source? I haven't ever heard of such thing.

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more of the same BS. not a single credible source. you call this an article?!
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This is silly theorizing.


How did you feel on 9/11? More than likely, it didn't affect you, personally.


You might think the people in the buildings were spineless liberals, or capitalist oppressors.


But, the feeling even the lunies got: We gotta kill some bastards, now.




Attacking Iran will have a counterproductive effect on sentiments in the country.

It would breed nationalism, they'll be in the streets waving their flags, and even those who are secular or progressive would rally around their leaders.

Same as we did, when our country was attacked.



The Iranian regime thrives on making us the bad guy. Bush/McCain's silent treatment is bad enough.

But a bombing would galvanize the citizenry, and if there are people who don't hate us now, they'll be a lot more likely to do so then.

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I don't understand why people think that bombs are going to make Iranians shake in their boots and automatically improve things. If they learned anything in Iraq, it's that we're terrible at formulating strategy past the initial invasion.
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Anyone who objectively follows what's going on in Iran knows that the Mullahs and the citizens share very different views. The citizens are enamored with western culture, and want to finally get out of the dark ages. They actually like America.

The Mullahs (much like the Democrats) desperately want total and unquestionable control over the masses, to the point that oppression and complete governmental force is the only way for them to keep their evil claws wrapped around their country's throat.
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