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Old 04-01-2004, 09:48 AM
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Just when you thought the war was over, the 600th member of the U.S. military has been killed.

All I've heard day in and day out, is that we can not hurt the morale of the soldiers, that give their sweat, blood, tears, and lives for us lightly. Then why won't this administration take this war seriously??? They continue to tell us that the war is over. "We are in a transitional period of handing over power to the Iraqi's." Let me be 100 percent clear about this. The war is not over!!! We are being lied to. Everytime another soldier is killed it only makes me realize the mess our administration got us into. I blame George Walker Bush for every soldier and civilian, U.S. and foreign, that dies in this war. I'm not as silly as John Kerry, to claim that this war was about oil, this war was for a multitude of reasons that were so selfish and imperialistic that the Dubya should be impeached and jailed in any sane society.

However my words of anger to not cross to the point of ignorance, I know the hegemonic nature of Western civilization and realize that these actions hardly go noticed never mind reprimanded to the point where justice is served.

Over ten thousand Iraqi civilians have been killed since this war has begun. Nearly 700 Americans have been killed. And about 155 billion dollars has been set aside or spent. Finally our credibility as a leader of the free world has been shot.

Patriotism is to have the sense to look out for your country, to do what is best for it's citizens and protect it at all costs. I object to this war out of love of my country and the way of life a thriving democracy should strive for. Imperialism is not the key to Patriotism. I wish to God that the Bush administration could find the golden key and save Iraq tomorrow and implement democracy that works to the whole world. But their hybrid vision of what democracy is, fuels hate, anger and ignorance. And these actions need to stop!!

Since the first of May, 461 American soldiers have lost their lives in the newest Iraq war. How many more need to die???

Hey, I have a new website, www.poeticinjusitice.net, I have a forums page as well

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Old 04-01-2004, 10:25 AM
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So when the death count gets below an average of three a day the war is over?

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They continue to tell us that the war is over.
I believe they said formal combat operations are over, there are still terrorists and what not.

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Just when you thought the war was over, the 600th member of the U.S. military has been killed.

All I've heard day in and day out, is that we can not hurt the morale of the soldiers, that give their sweat, blood, tears, and lives for us lightly. Then why won't this administration take this war seriously??? They continue to tell us that the war is over. "We are in a transitional period of handing over power to the Iraqi's." Let me be 100 percent clear about this. The war is not over!!! We are being lied to. Everytime another soldier is killed it only makes me realize the mess our administration got us into. I blame George Walker Bush for every soldier and civilian, U.S. and foreign, that dies in this war. I'm not as silly as John Kerry, to claim that this war was about oil, this war was for a multitude of reasons that were so selfish and imperialistic that the Dubya should be impeached and jailed in any sane society.

However my words of anger to not cross to the point of ignorance, I know the hegemonic nature of Western civilization and realize that these actions hardly go noticed never mind reprimanded to the point where justice is served.

Over ten thousand Iraqi civilians have been killed since this war has begun. Nearly 700 Americans have been killed. And about 155 billion dollars has been set aside or spent. Finally our credibility as a leader of the free world has been shot.

Patriotism is to have the sense to look out for your country, to do what is best for it's citizens and protect it at all costs. I object to this war out of love of my country and the way of life a thriving democracy should strive for. Imperialism is not the key to Patriotism. I wish to God that the Bush administration could find the golden key and save Iraq tomorrow and implement democracy that works to the whole world. But their hybrid vision of what democracy is, fuels hate, anger and ignorance. And these actions need to stop!!

Since the first of May, 461 American soldiers have lost their lives in the newest Iraq war. How many more need to die???

Hey, I have a new website, www.poeticinjusitice.net, I have a forums page as well

Remi
Out of those 600 soldiers that lost their lives as tragic as it is, 184 were killed by accident. Our military loses about 600 personnel a year from accidents, not war. Your 10,000 number of Iraqis is the the high end of the report, which they estimate to be 8 to 10 thousand. Perhaps we should have stayed idle like in WW2 until it really gets out of hand, need I remind you these guys hate everything democatic, and everything western, they all want to kill us.
Feel lucky that I'm not president, there would be no middle east left, after their barbaric despicable act yesterday in Fallujah.
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If you count all coaliton troops the number is 701:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...es/casualties/

And that does not include the unknown dozens of civilian contractors killed.

And the civilain casualties are a minimum of 8,799 and maximum of 10,649 as of now:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

So Maze51, how does that fact that it may be only 9,000 instead of 10,000 make a big difference somehow. And let's not forget the Iraqi military deaths that could add another 10,000 dead to the number. But somehow the US is above even estimating. Why.. because it just looks bad to say that 20,000 have been killed in our quest to change the world as we please, acquire pipeline routes and oil, and otherwise play nationbuilding as the Almighty Bush administration sees fit.
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So Maze51, how does that fact that it may be only 9,000 instead of 10,000 make a big difference somehow. And let's not forget the Iraqi military deaths that could add another 10,000 dead to the number. But somehow the US is above even estimating. Why.. because it just looks bad to say that 20,000 have been killed in our quest to change the world as we please, acquire pipeline routes and oil, and otherwise play nationbuilding as the Almighty Bush administration sees fit.
...to the 500,000 the left said would be killed in the first 3 months? There is no making light of the death of anyone, all death is tragic. I have to believe this to be the second coming of the crusades, and as Europe drove them out then, history is repeating itself.
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It's a hell of a lot less than would have died if Saddam was still in power. Iraqi's were starving to death while Saddam was dining in one of his many palaces. Those opposed to the regime were killed, raped and tortured. He gassed his own people. Let's not pretend that Saddam was a good leader. Let's not pretend that he should be in power. Now we need to finish what we started. Whether you agree with the war or not we need to finish it.
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It's a hell of a lot less than would have died if Saddam was still in power. Iraqi's were starving to death while Saddam was dining in one of his many palaces. Those opposed to the regime were killed, raped and tortured. He gassed his own people. Let's not pretend that Saddam was a good leader. Let's not pretend that he should be in power. Now we need to finish what we started. Whether you agree with the war or not we need to finish it.
This is the same revisionist history logic. No one is saying that Saddam was a great guy. And you are right that now we are there, we need to finish the job.

But figuring out if it was right to go is still relevent. It depends a lot on if President Bush should be re-elected in my book. Wars should be started on facts to defend oneself, not suspisions.

So do you honestly believe that if President Bush wnt before the US Congress and the UN saying that Saddam is a cruel dictator and that is why we need to invade his country and liberate his people, that the war resolution would have been passed?

Based on your logic, should we invade North Korea and the Sudan? If not, why not. Both countries have people being killed in them that we could save if we just went in and killed some people. But our killing probably would be a lower number than would be killed otherwise.
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Just when you thought the war was over, the 600th member of the U.S. military has been killed.

All I've heard day in and day out, is that we can not hurt the morale of the soldiers, that give their sweat, blood, tears, and lives for us lightly. Then why won't this administration take this war seriously??? They continue to tell us that the war is over. "We are in a transitional period of handing over power to the Iraqi's." Let me be 100 percent clear about this. The war is not over!!! We are being lied to. Everytime another soldier is killed it only makes me realize the mess our administration got us into. I blame George Walker Bush for every soldier and civilian, U.S. and foreign, that dies in this war. I'm not as silly as John Kerry, to claim that this war was about oil, this war was for a multitude of reasons that were so selfish and imperialistic that the Dubya should be impeached and jailed in any sane society.

However my words of anger to not cross to the point of ignorance, I know the hegemonic nature of Western civilization and realize that these actions hardly go noticed never mind reprimanded to the point where justice is served.

Over ten thousand Iraqi civilians have been killed since this war has begun. Nearly 700 Americans have been killed. And about 155 billion dollars has been set aside or spent. Finally our credibility as a leader of the free world has been shot.

Patriotism is to have the sense to look out for your country, to do what is best for it's citizens and protect it at all costs. I object to this war out of love of my country and the way of life a thriving democracy should strive for. Imperialism is not the key to Patriotism. I wish to God that the Bush administration could find the golden key and save Iraq tomorrow and implement democracy that works to the whole world. But their hybrid vision of what democracy is, fuels hate, anger and ignorance. And these actions need to stop!!

Since the first of May, 461 American soldiers have lost their lives in the newest Iraq war. How many more need to die???

Hey, I have a new website, www.poeticinjusitice.net, I have a forums page as well

Remi
Did you realize that many of those deaths were from accidents? Did you realize that some soldiers have come hom to the states, only to be killed here in accidents? Do you realize that we have more killed in this country every day in drunk driving accidents, murders, and from diseases? Difference is you are NOT getting a daily talley of all the daily deaths in our country.

BTW, we are not continually told "the war is over." We are set to turn over the running of their government to the Iraqi's, but there will still be fighting. A lot that happens after that will be up to them. Freedoms and democracy....especially after years of dictatorship.....does not come easy or quickly. This administration has NEVER said otherwise. Re-read your history and take a second look at how difficult our own democracy came and the price in lives that had to be given for that freedom.
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