Muslims in Egypt hit Swiss minaret ban, force Copts to hide in fear for their lives

DutchClogCyborg · #1 (**permalink**) 12-15-2009, 08:09 AM

These two actions are completely consistent from the standpoint of these Egyptian Muslims. The consistency is that the spread and dominance of Islam should never be impeded in any way -- not by Infidels who (for the moment) have the upper hand in Switzerland, and not by Infidels in Egypt who have the temerity to get out of line and not accept their second-class status with equanimity.

"Egypt Forces Copts to Hide as Muslims Hit Swiss Minaret Ban," by Daniel Williams for Bloomberg, December 15

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ec. 15 (Bloomberg) -- On a side street in the far northeast Cairo suburb of Ain Shams, the door of a five-story former underwear factory is padlocked.

This is, or was supposed to be, the St. Mary and Anba Abraam Coptic Christian Church. Police closed it Nov. 24, 2008, when Muslims rioted against its consecration. Since then local Copts have had to commute to distant churches or worship in hiding at each other's homes.

While Muslim leaders criticized the Nov. 29 vote in Switzerland that banned construction of minarets, they don't support Christians who want to build churches in some Islamic countries. Restrictions in Egypt have exacerbated sectarian violence and discrimination, say Copts, a 2,000 year old denomination that comprises about 10 percent of the population.

The day after the Swiss vote, Ali Gomaa, one of Egypt's top Muslim clerics, called the decision "an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside of Switzerland."

Copts quickly said that neither Gomaa nor any other Islamic leader mentioned the Christian situation in Egypt.

"Without the merest attempt to put our house in order, are we in any position to taunt others to put theirs?" Youssef Sidhom, editor-in-chief of the Cairo-based Egyptian Coptic weekly newspaper El-Watani, said in a telephone interview. "They should be ashamed."

The contrast between criticism of the Swiss and silence about local parallels isn't limited to Egypt. Censure of Switzerland, where about 5 percent of the population is Muslim, was widespread in Islamic countries where Christians face restrictions on practicing their faith.

'Xenophobic, Prejudiced'

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"The decision of the Swiss people stood to be interpreted as xenophobic, prejudiced, discriminative and against the universal human-rights values," said the Organization of the Islamic Conference in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, which represents 57 Muslim-majority nations.

Members include Saudi Arabia, where non-Muslims are arrested for worshipping privately; Maldives, the Indian Ocean atoll where citizenship is reserved for Muslims; Libya, which limits churches to one per denomination in cities; and Iran, where conversion from Islam is punished by death, according to a 2009 U.S. State Department report on religious freedom.

"The Copts are a minority. Why do they need more churches?" Ain Shams café owner Harbi Muhammed Ali said in an interview. "There are other churches around. If you have one car, do you need two?"

Human Rights

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As for Switzerland, "the West is always preaching human rights," he said. "It's their problem."...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...oe2uZno&pos=15

Red · #2 (**permalink**) 12-15-2009, 12:04 PM

You missed the bit about Copts hiding in fear of their lives.

They're actually building church steeples and towers, not hiding in fear of their lives.

DutchClogCyborg · #3 (**permalink**) 12-15-2009, 01:22 PM

Guess the Swiss can treat muslims as 2nd rate no problemo as long as they got their minarets.

The Judge · #4 (**permalink**) 12-16-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DutchClogCyborg

Guess the Swiss can treat muslims as 2nd rate no problemo as long as they got their minarets.

Swiss Muslims are being treated 'second rate'? Tell me more about this view.

DinoDino · #5 (**permalink**) 12-16-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Judge

Swiss Muslims are being treated 'second rate'? Tell me more about this view.

They certainly don't give them 6 bedroom houses at the taxpayers expense as happens in the UK!

Red · #6 (**permalink**) 12-16-2009, 09:04 AM

My statistics show that an Egyptian Christian is 1.115 times as likely to be given a six bedroom house at taxpayers expense than is a British Muslim.

(And then, of course, they can hide in the bedrooms).

Which figures are you using, Dino?

DinoDino · #7 (**permalink**) 12-17-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Red

My statistics show that an Egyptian Christian is 1.115 times as likely to be given a six bedroom house at taxpayers expense than is a British Muslim.

(And then, of course, they can hide in the bedrooms).

Which figures are you using, Dino?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orey-home.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...lion-home.html

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome...ile.5138129.jp

Where's yours?

Crom · #8 (**permalink**) 12-17-2009, 02:23 AM

Are you surprised? Every muslim country (with the exception of Turkey) is a hateful and hypocrite filled hell-hole.

Red · #9 (**permalink**) 12-17-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DinoDino

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...orey-home.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/...lion-home.html

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome...ile.5138129.jp

Where's yours?

1) Those are not statistics, but anecdotes.

2) The first two anecdotes are not about British Muslims, but about political refugees. Being refugees, I assume they are not British?

3) The third anecdote is about some "benefit cheat". If it is true that it is easier to cheat the British welfare state than the Egyptian (which, let me restate, could never be proven by any anecdote) then perhaps you should be looking to join the ENP instead?

Dane · #10 (**permalink**) 12-18-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Crom

Are you surprised? Every muslim country (with the exception of Turkey) is a hateful and hypocrite filled hell-hole.

Might this possibly have something to do with most middle-eastren countries being third-world dictatoships?

No, of course not, it's because they're muslim. I guss Belarus is a hell-hole because it's christian, then. Amazing how the prosperity of countries are tied solely to religion.

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