So you've visited Germany and Belgium, and therefore you can speak as an expert? I've been to GErmany and Beligum too, you know, never had any problems with muslims there, and I didn't see any evidence that society shoould be under attack by blood-thirsty muslims.

So now you assume that I live behind my computer screen? If posting on a forum means you never go out then we are on equal terms, arn't we? Allow me to point out that your the one who uses youtube videos to prove your point, while I'm the one who'd like to see some actual, real life proof as to how muslims are supposedly taking over Europe.

I have been out and look at what you're talking about, and I havn't seen any of the "obvious" things that you imagine are there. As for Islam hater, your sig doesn't really make you look objective when it comes to Islam, and I also believe I've seen you making a lot of very anti-islamic posts on all parts of the forum.

Yes.

Exactly why there is difficulties getting an islamic school because of their criteria (leerplan) in islamic schools. I think that is a very good decision from the Belgium goverment.

About that Imam, the problem is he did had an huge crowd and he does speak at mosques and he will claim that he represents the word of god.
Ofcourse everybody is against the things that he is saying, the biggest problem is that they are here and they have a crowd that listens to them.
I did heard about that but I was guessing is was some sort of written statement and not a huge march from muslims.
Yes, you Belgiums thought through the proces very early and we also have problems with integration but you cannot dismiss that you are having problems,like those videos showed and ''Vlaams Belang'' is growing I think and we have Geert Wilders who is also doing very well in the opinion polls but we always compared ''Vlaams Belang'' to our ''Centrumpartij'' which is very different then Geert Wilders.
I think a Belgium ''Geert Wilders'' will not be dismissed to govern with but some parties in the Netherlands are not happy to govern with Geert Wilders either. Most parties are still afraid that we might hurt peoples feelings when we try to protect our culture and identities but imo those decisions needs to be taken otherwise the outcome might be even worse.

No surprise there, Rotterdam have become over 30% populated with muslims in the last 2 decades.I dont feel safe there and I dont think that I am in a Dutch city if I visit it.
I realised that too late, my misunderstanding.
Yeah, I also noticed a change in peoples attidude towards me when I took that sig

But I am not here to join a popularity contest but to point out the danger that I see coming from the islam.

People from your holocaust-denying, Armenian-mass-murdering semi-dictatorship of a country should know all about those. Turkey is one of the most racist, bigoted nations on earth.

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You can compare Geert Wilders's political party PVV very good with Flemish (NOT Belgian!) parties "Vlaams Belang" on it's political program and with "Lijst Dedecker" (LDD) on it's political success.

It's not about being afraid of mighting hurt other peoples feeling, it's about how the messages of this political parties most of the time are made over to the public; also to the "foreigners" or immigrants - it works radicalisation in hand. So it doens't make "us" more safe from "them" - the contrary is true.
The extreme right party of Flanders - Vlaams Belang - is perceived as an example throughout Europe because of it's political succes. People from Denmark, France, The Netherlands and the UK come here to look how they handled things. However, other political ideologies come to see how we deal with them.

In 2004 Vlaams Belang achieved a stunning 25% of all votes in Flanders - they became the biggest single political party in Flanders (and thus Belgium).
They offer no real solutions, only slogans - that is why they are banned from any political coöperation. Even when they were invited by the "formateur" for talks to form a governement, they didn't prepared anything - maybe because they know for themselves that their "political program" is just crap?!

BTW - during last elections in 2009 they fell with about 10%. I suspect other political parties throughout Europe will face the same faith when they are unmasked as not being more than a bunch of loud people who scream dirty slogans on the sideline of the political spectrum.

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That is why I mentioned Geert Wilders because there is some comparison.

But the difference is that Geert Wilders is coming from the VVD which is a party that have governed lots of times in my country and he knows what people expect from the goverment and that he must compremise when he can govern.
That is also the reason why is is playing high stakes, when the time comes to compremise then he can maybe settle for his moderate views while when he is beginning with those moderate views then he must put water by the wine with those views too which leaves him behind empty handed and the people that voted for him will be dissapointed.
Except for islamification he is very moderate and he does know how to govern all aspects of society.I just dont know if that is also the case for others in his party.

btw I think that most extreme right wing parties had no illusions at all to govern and that is why they have no real political program.

High praise from you, Dino! Tell us - where was your family living back in 1915, and who was being massmurdered by the government they lived under?

But it's "your holocaust-denying ... of a country" line that particularly stands out. There may be some Turkish equivalent of the BNP - although, it would be news to me (me who has more political knowledge in his little toe than you have in your whole sturmabteilung) but we've no reason at all to suppose that ME would support such a party. You, on the other hand, make it clear that you're a stormtrooper for Nick Griffin.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-re...ck-Griffin.php

So if you're serious about Turkey being "one of the most racist, bigoted nations on earth", and given your comments (re "Islam4UK") that people should only live in a country which fits their personal political outlook - when are you off to Turkey?

High praise from you, Dino! Tell us - where was your family living back in 1915, and who was being massmurdered by the government they lived under?

But it's "your holocaust-denying ... of a country" line that particularly stands out. There may be some Turkish equivalent of the BNP - although, it would be news to me (me who has more political knowledge in his little toe than you havr in your whole sturmabteilung) but we've no reason at all to suppose that ME would support such a party. You, on the other hand, make it clear that you're a stormtrooper for Nick Griffin.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-re...ck-Griffin.php

So if you're serious about Turkey being "one of the most racist, bigoted nations on earth", and given your comments (re "Islam4UK") that people should only live in a country which fits their personal political outlook - when are you off to Turkey?