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Old 02-09-2010, 01:25 AM
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I love it. Most americans dont even read a newspaper and they preprend to understand european domestic problems. Americans would have to go into the internet and find a european newspaper written in engish )hearld international tribune Europe). But their too lazy to do that. Most ameircans feel if they read Video Text their informed. ha ha ha.

Muslims are a big problems for all of Europa, because they refuse to become euroeans. Muslims who dont change cant be blaimed when the neo-nazi movemt gains in numbers. We all have concerns that Europe will become a muslim state and the rest of us will be a minority in our own country.
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Your link also asserts that "In the United Kingdom, for example, 74 percent of Muslim girls between the ages of 18 and 24 wear the veil". That is extremely hard to believe, unless perhaps the words "on occasion" have been dropped from the sentence? I could believe that seventy-four percent own a headscarf, for weddings and funerals etc.

So I'm not disposed to believe the unemployment statistics either. They're not sourced in the Islamophobic book review you've linked to, and I can find no supporting evidence of German unemployment statistics broken down by ethnic origin. Turks in Germany are mainly under thirty and mainly live in industrial cities, so it's meaningless to compare their unemployment rate with the national rate.
This number is not so easy to find out. According to Faruk Sen it was around 25% some time ago, other sources spoke of 21% in 2002 and 24%.

The math for can be made with numbers from 2007. General unemployment was 8.8%, unemployment in migration population was about 20%, the Turkish share in unemployment in migration population 31.4%, the Turkish share in migration population was 26.1%. This would make an unemployment rate of Turkish people in Germany of 24%.
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I love it. Most americans dont even read a newspaper and they preprend to understand european domestic problems. Americans would have to go into the internet and find a european newspaper written in engish )hearld international tribune Europe). But their too lazy to do that. Most ameircans feel if they read Video Text their informed. ha ha ha.

Muslims are a big problems for all of Europa, because they refuse to become euroeans. Muslims who dont change cant be blaimed when the neo-nazi movemt gains in numbers. We all have concerns that Europe will become a muslim state and the rest of us will be a minority in our own country.
Muslims "refuse to become Europeans"? That's a ridiculous thing to say. There are way more Muslims looking for a European passport than have been given one. Do you deny that, were we to open our borders to the refugees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia (to name but three) asking "Who fancies being a European?" there would be something of a rush?

I don't understand where your irrelevant side-swipe at Americans came from but, for what it's worth, there is no comparison. If we removed from consideration all Europeans who read some gossip- and sex-obsessed yellow-press tabloid (a phenomenon scarcely known in American newspaper publishing) then we'd see a very different picture. We'd also see a lot less Islamophobia, as it happens.
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Old 02-09-2010, 06:38 AM
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Muslims "refuse to become Europeans"? That's a ridiculous thing to say. There are way more Muslims looking for a European passport than have been given one. Do you deny that, were we to open our borders to the refugees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia (to name but three) asking "Who fancies being a European?" there would be something of a rush?
It is not about getting a passport, it is about wanting to become a European. The people from countries you talked about may not want this, the same goes to North African countries.

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I don't understand where your irrelevant side-swipe at Americans came from but, for what it's worth, there is no comparison. If we removed from consideration all Europeans who read some gossip- and sex-obsessed yellow-press tabloid (a phenomenon scarcely known in American newspaper publishing) then we'd see a very different picture. We'd also see a lot less Islamophobia, as it happens.
The book you called an Islamophobic one, has been written by an American.
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This number is not so easy to find out. According to Faruk Sen it was around 25% some time ago, other sources spoke of 21% in 2002 and 24%.

The math for can be made with numbers from 2007. General unemployment was 8.8%, unemployment in migration population was about 20%, the Turkish share in unemployment in migration population 31.4%, the Turkish share in migration population was 26.1%. This would make an unemployment rate of Turkish people in Germany of 24%.
all of which far above the national german average, even after 40-50 years. Islamic immigration failed, time to put them to work for their wellfare, this counts for everyone anyway.
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Muslims "refuse to become Europeans"? That's a ridiculous thing to say. There are way more Muslims looking for a European passport than have been given one. Do you deny that, were we to open our borders to the refugees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia (to name but three) asking "Who fancies being a European?" there would be something of a rush?
They want to live in Europe and make money / get on wellfare / get a steady live, they will still cling on their own culture, language, religion and backwards practises. the fact most maroccans and turkish 2nd and 3rd generation people suppor their nation during football and such show this.
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I don't understand where your irrelevant side-swipe at Americans came from but, for what it's worth, there is no comparison. If we removed from consideration all Europeans who read some gossip- and sex-obsessed yellow-press tabloid (a phenomenon scarcely known in American newspaper publishing) then we'd see a very different picture. We'd also see a lot less Islamophobia, as it happens.
Perhaps its time to accept that a phobia is a irrelevant fear, as it is now its a very normal fear for a backwards and very violent religion, which brought forth the most backwards and unproductive immigrant groups to europe we have ever seen.
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We dont want muslims in Europe because they refuse to become europeans of muslim faith. In America if they dont assimulate they die of hunger, but here in Europe they live on welfare from day one. Yes we are stupid, but one cant change the laws to target them, because that would be discrimination.

This issue is far to complex to discuss with americans. You dont have backround information that is necessary to know what your talking about.

These muslims feel closer to their nation of birth that to us and that is very bad. The muslim women dont even speak the language of the host land, because their men dont want them to learn the language. Franced showed the way by stripping some of their citizenship and shoving them back to Africa.
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We dont want muslims in Europe because they refuse to become europeans of muslim faith. In America if they dont assimulate they die of hunger, but here in Europe they live on welfare from day one. Yes we are stupid, but one cant change the laws to target them, because that would be discrimination.

This issue is far to complex to discuss with americans. You dont have backround information that is necessary to know what your talking about.

These muslims feel closer to their nation of birth that to us and that is very bad. The muslim women dont even speak the language of the host land, because their men dont want them to learn the language. Franced showed the way by stripping some of their citizenship and shoving them back to Africa.
And if I say that 99.7% of all Muslim women domiciled in European countries speak the "host language", what are you going to come back at me with? Nothing. You are just sounding off.

Every Muslim in Europe - every last one of them - insists on being a European of Muslim faith. There is not one who refuses to do so. I've noticed that Muslims from most parts of the globe obstinately refuse to become blond and blue-eyed, and most of them avoid pork and, often, alcohol. That's what you mean by "European", isn't it? White and Christian? You have set a standard of "integration" which is impossible for many Europeans to meet.
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And if I say that 99.7% of all Muslim women domiciled in European countries speak the "host language", what are you going to come back at me with? Nothing. You are just sounding off.
If we are talking about first generation immigrants, this is not very realistic. Sure, many Muslim people in Europe are native Europeans, so Muslims from Albania, Bosnia, Bashkiria or Tartastan sure speak their languages. For first generation immigrants, this is not so. This is a problem with immigration and it leads to problems in employment. I even watched a report on 3Sat Kulturzeit about a project, where Imams and female prayer leaders learn German. Even though Imams usually are only temporarly in Europe, like 3 or 4 years, these people learn German, partially to encourage people in their communities to learn this language, too.

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Every Muslim in Europe - every last one of them - insists on being a European of Muslim faith. There is not one who refuses to do so.
Yes, sure, probably you think, that every European working in Dubai insists to be Asian, too

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I've noticed that Muslims from most parts of the globe obstinately refuse to become blond and blue-eyed, and most of them avoid pork and, often, alcohol. That's what you mean by "European", isn't it? White and Christian? You have set a standard of "integration" which is impossible for many Europeans to meet.
Now here we have, it is not about Muslims to you, but about Jewish people.
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because they refuse to become euroeans.
Please go into the details of this concept. What does it mean to "refuse to become europeans"? What rules must one follow to fit into this category? What exactly is a "European", and does "European" have anything really to do with religion? Since when must an individual be of a certain "religion" to be European? Your statement introduces millions of questions, so please, define what you mean. I'm an excited to learn more about your view on the matter.
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