Name an "Islamic ghetto", please, so that we can investigate?

I know that there is none in the United Kingdom.

Have you considered, and I know we asked this before in the nineteen-forties, that perhaps you shouldn't drive your religious minorities into ghettos?

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Nobody ' drives ' them, everyone tries to get close to something familair, which is why there plenty of towns and city's with a significant dutch ( or atleast via parents) population, yet no crime comes out of that. Let alone it being a no-go-zone.

GOod you asked a islamic Ghetto, I show you one right away.

lets take bruxxels

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...oor-bendes.xml

Sint-Gillis, Anderlecht en Vorst are the current area's with a Islamic majority where police is to scared to even enter the area's.

Similair to the French Riots, and ghetto's surrounding Paris,. something we in Europe will get familair with the next few decennia.

Close your eyes and pretend it doesn't happen, left wing nutjobs have the tendency to do this and then whine when people vote for a more radical party.

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But are ghettos not a result of an area's housing policy?

I have in front of me this minute an application form for housing in Highland Region, because I'd like a transfer to be nearer to my family, as I get into my twilight years..and want to do it while I am still fit myself to pack and go.

And the form, which applies to transfer and initial applications asks specifically if there are social/family reasons for the application. Not a problem where I am, and where I want to go, even if I was not a native Scot and not of the Muslim persuasion (kindly note this fact, -Fix-) because we may have sink estates of white "Christian" yobs...but not ghettos of any other kind!

But in an area where there is a regular trickle of Muslims, I can understand why they would want to be among those with whom they feel comfortable, or near family who have previously emigrated and settled. And the more Muslims who move into an area because of social/family connections, the more who will move there for the same reasons.

Never quite understood the propensity of the bigoted to blame their bugbears just because they are allowed, if not encouraged, by Governments/Local Councils etc to live where they want if there is housing available....and who happily ignore the existence of a crap system which could be tweaked to reduce the ghetto syndrome......if there was the will to make the effort. .

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That is no answer whatsoever. I ask you to name an "Islamic ghetto". I am a grown-up, Clogger, I am serious. I expect you to show a study or survey arguing that the demographics of some city or other manifest a "ghetto". I didn't ask to see a picture of a brown boy being grabbed by four white policemen. We don't learn Dutch in British schools (don't pretend that surprises you) but I'm sure the story next to the picture wasn't related to sociological research.

I hate to pile these challenges onto you, but: "there plenty of towns and city's with a significant dutch ( or atleast via parents) population"? What on earth do you mean? Name a city with a significant Dutch population. Outside of the Netherlands.

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I named 3, the governments do not do study;s around this, they have a cordon around 'Vlaams Belang' and want to make sure they do not get any more additional voters.

IIt was related to the No-Go-Zones in Brussels, police admit they refuse to go in without full back up, the area's are controlled by 16(!)- 21 year old Maroccon Youth's..... 25% of Brussels is islamic, mostly concentrated in certain area's so its no suprise some area's have a Islamic / Morrocan majority. Dont need a report for that surely.

You blamed it on forced segregation, I showed you an example where large number one etnic group do not cause huge problems, same applies to English in South-Africa / Australia / new Zealand no doubt.

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Gentlemen,

Germany hast turkish gettos in Berlin, Colone and Frankfurt to say the least.

Very convenient.

Surely do need one. You don't know of one, do you? There is not one jot, iota or scintilla of evidence for your old rot about teenage Morrocans governing one quarter of Brussels. I will bet large sums of money that the Belgian police "admission" that they have lost control of one-quarter of their own capital city has never been recorded officially - am I right?

Oh no, you don't! I said that ghettos, by definition, are the products of forced segregation. I'm still waiting for your evidence that there is such a thing as a ghetto in modern Europe and, since you claim as a matter of faith that all such "evidence" has been surpressed, I guess we're going nowhere with that line.

No, Cloggers, you absolutely did not show me anything. You referred to the peaceful Dutch immigrant districts of non-Dutch cities as though such things existed, and I'm still waiting (don't worry, I never wait in hope for an answer from you) for an example of one. You have not shown this.

English immigrants to South Africa, Australia or New Zealand are dispersed generally amongst the previous waves of English immigration. There's something of a cluster of British immigrants on the Costa Del Sol, if that helps?

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I did not say 25 percent was a islamic ghetto, I said 25 percent is Islamic so its not strange, I named the 3 Islamic Ghetto's were police refuses to go in. Thats for a reason, and entire school moved away last week, their students were beaten and robbed every single day.


The Police is refusing to go in certain area's filled by Marrocan youths, schools are moving out. thats a ghetto. A ghetto does not need to be a product of forced segregation, Unless the US government and European nations somehow 'Force' their people to live there.

I see, and the costa del soil is now taken over by angry 2nd / 3rd generation brits forcing the people out? Oh no thats a North-African thing.

Im sorry but Riots in France, the rise of right party's, Belgium no-go-area's, Same in Malmo Sweden, Utrecht in the Netherlands, and more. Sure nothing is going on, keep sleeping.

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You named three places - working-class districts, I'm guessing - but you have not, despite repeated requests, given any evidence whatsoever that the police have a special policy for those districts, that there is any truth in your old tosh about the school nor - and this is key - that there is anything particularly noteworthy about the demographics of those districts. Can you? You cannot.

No. That's a story. An allegation. An urban myth. "Certain" people tell lies.

No. It's not been taken over. The only reason there are "clusters" of British expatriates in certain districts of Spain is that they are all relatively affluent retired people, who live where the coastal two-person apartments have been built. I understand that elderly Dutch and German pensioners do the same thing. That doesn't make "a ghetto". We're still waiting for your evidence of that phenomenon.

The "rise of right party's" (sic)??? What kind of circular argument is this? You are seriously trying to use yourself, the mere fact that there is a faction of continental Europeans which holds repulsive and objectionable opinions, as evidence to support your prejudices? There has been a "rise of right party's" in European history before - what do you think that tells us about people who (undoubtedly) lived in ghettos in those times? Eh?

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[quote=Red;2134389]You named three places - working-class districts, I'm guessing - but you have not, despite repeated requests, given any evidence whatsoever that the police have a special policy for those districts, that there is any truth in your old tosh about the school nor - and this is key - that there is anything particularly noteworthy about the demographics of those districts. Can you? You cannot.

http://www.vlaamsbelang.org/56/16/
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/wereld/ar...wijken_in.html

A planned curfew, a higher educational school which left the area due to violance and robberies, and police unable to go in unless in groups of a dozen or more,


Shame its the truth, I just linked you the article in dutch, shame its not taken up by English papers.



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The people in the Islamic Ghettos are 2nd / 3rd generation, drop out, and refuse to listen to anyone, we dont talk about affluent people, we talk about people who do not learn Flemish / French till they go to school, have a huge disadvantage and go to crap.

You can deny it but ive seen those area's more then once. Its not uncommon throughout europe. no-go-zones are not a fantasy.



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Well for starters its the left wing party's who made this mess, immigration in small dozens works, since most will end up mixing with the local population and get accustomed, when you get this mass immigration they can cuddle up, keep their own language but also get a set back and feel like ' they' are in charge.

Many Continental europeans and even british ( Hi failure of labour and racist BNP taking advantage of it) see their nations changing, no-go-zones, huge crime and wellfare dependancy, and other negative effects. Deal with it. You can close your eyes a bit longer before you wake up.

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