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Old 02-05-2010, 08:42 AM
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Doesnt to me, dont smell socialism, and the 'they are inferior to us ' lines.
So the key to it not being Nazi-like is the fact they aren't socialist? The whole concept of the party is being anti-Muslim, I think the Nazi party was anti-Jewish. Hitler wanted to restore German pride and blah, blah, blah.

Good to see hate and ignorance hasn't left Germany.

I would like to point out how liberal leaning societies will always have this type of problem. In order for the government to continue to grab power, the constitution has to be looked at as a living, breathing document that changes with the times. As long as there is no black and white, the societies laws will change with the times. As the Muslim/Jewish/Buddhist/Christian/Atheist/Satanist/Communist/Socialist population grows the laws will ultimately change to fit the societies desires.

If the Constitution is to be abided as written, then localities will change but the country will maintain.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:44 AM
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Our understanding has gone to far and is now bringing forth to many problems.
I know I am a bit of hypocrite in what I say. My country pretty much hates Islam because of the Turkish.
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That's absurd, I have had Muslim friends for yrs, wonderful people.
I know. I would have to hate myself to hate Islam.
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I though us in the EU were suppose to set an example to the world on the topic of understanding others. I guess I was wrong.
I always thought that too but we hit a brick wall called the islam.You can have all the good intentions in the world but they have the word of god.
Human rights,equality, understanding eachother and national law are things secundary to the word of Allah.
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It is not pissing me off, I think they are victims of the islamists that want to bring islamic law to the world and use Allah as an excuse to kill infidels.

Even if they are very nice and decent people it doesnt change the fact that the islam is a danger to our society.The Koran says what it says and many Imams use the Koran against us.

Many muslims dont represent the islam and if they dont change religions then they must accept the fact that we are demonizing their religion because of the hatred that is being teached by the Koran.

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So the key to it not being Nazi-like is the fact they aren't socialist? The whole concept of the party is being anti-Muslim, I think the Nazi party was anti-Jewish. Hitler wanted to restore German pride and blah, blah, blah.

Good to see hate and ignorance hasn't left Germany.
Shame you ar etotally clueless about the current problems in EUrope regarding Islamic immigration, this party is not a German thing, the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark Belgium France and other nations have similair party's which are on the rise. all nations without a history of radical right party's having a lot of influence, and I think the moment you visit Brussels, Amsterdam or Malmo and visit certain Islamic Ghetto's you would understand why,
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I would like to point out how liberal leaning societies will always have this type of problem. In order for the government to continue to grab power, the constitution has to be looked at as a living, breathing document that changes with the times. As long as there is no black and white, the societies laws will change with the times. As the Muslim/Jewish/Buddhist/Christian/Atheist/Satanist/Communist/Socialist population grows the laws will ultimately change to fit the societies desires.
My country has a history of huge immigration, the assimilation / integration of those groups went well with Jews, Europeans and Surinamese, and other large groups, but turks maroccans somalians and such plain faill. our laws change due to bad immigration.
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I know. I would have to hate myself to hate Islam.
You can have muslim friends and hate Islam. hate the religion not the people.
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Shame you ar etotally clueless about the current problems in EUrope regarding Islamic immigration, this party is not a German thing...
Got that, MasTequila? Pro-Deutschland, and its Pro-NordRheinWestphalen branch, are not German things, right?

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...the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark Belgium France and other nations have similair party's which are on the rise. all nations without a history of radical right party's having a lot of influence, and I think the moment you visit Brussels, Amsterdam or Malmo and visit certain Islamic Ghetto's you would understand why
That's simply not true, though, is it? These countries all have a history of the "radical right", they all raised troops for the Waffen SS. You've seen the post above which highlights the neo-Nazi links of key pro-Deutschland founders. Man, if it looks like one and smells like one, calls itself one and marches like one, then it is one.


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My country has a history of huge immigration, the assimilation / integration of those groups went well with Jews, Europeans and Surinamese, and other large groups, but turks maroccans somalians and such plain faill. our laws change due to bad immigration.
Remind us how your Jewish minority is getting on? Some of the older members of "Pro-NRW" might be able to help you with that question.
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Got that, MasTequila? Pro-Deutschland, and its Pro-NordRheinWestphalen branch, are not German things, right?
I ment that party's like this are not a German phenemonon, its part of a huge shift to the right, the extremism of the party's differ a lot.

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That's simply not true, though, is it? These countries all have a history of the "radical right", they all raised troops for the Waffen SS. You've seen the post above which highlights the neo-Nazi links of key pro-Deutschland founders. Man, if it looks like one and smells like one, calls itself one and marches like one, then it is one.
Do they? they were occupied and those willing to join went in their army, the numbers were not staggering or anything. A history of being radical right? Are you on drugs? Are we talking about the Netherlands Sweden and France?

Ive yet to see members of the party march, attack Muslims, close muslim shops and confisqute Mosque's Seem it doesnt look. smell like a Nazi to me.

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Remind us how your Jewish minority is getting on? Some of the older members of "Pro-NRW" might be able to help you with that question.
They seem to do quite well thanks. If you mean the nazi era, well that was then, in this matter people have the fullest right to look at the mass immigration of Islamic people with a careful eye, even more so when they are virtually the sole perpetrators of terrorism, and have crime rates far above average, not to mention the integration as a whole totally failed due to their religion and inferior cultural belief.
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A history of being radical right? Are you on drugs? Are we talking about the Netherlands Sweden and France?
Geert Wilder's PVV party has scored 21% in an opinion poll last year. Fortuyn's List was the second-largest party in 2002. Before that there were the so-called "Centre Democrats", the National Alliance, the Nederlands Blok - need I go all the way back to the Black Front and National Socialists of the pre-war years? There is a history, and how bizarre that you live there, are a part of that history, and yet are unaware of it.

In Sweden the "Sweden Democrats", an offshoot of the nineteen-eighties "Keep Sweden Swedish" party are close to the parliamentary threshold. None of the previous far-right groups in Sweden have achieved any political representation, but there has been a history of quite serious "skinhead" violence since the 'seventies, and Swedish security services consider the White Aryan Resistance to be the most serious threat they currently face.

France. You must have heard of Le Pen's National Front? There was a danger of his becoming President, do you remember that? Did you never hear of Action Francais before that, and of Petain's Vichy regime before that? France - you must have heard of France, surely?

You badly need some of what I'm smoking.
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Many muslims dont represent the islam and if they dont change religions then they must accept the fact that we are demonizing their religion because of the hatred that is being teached by the Koran.

It is nothing personal, it is ideological.
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