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Old 09-20-2006, 05:35 AM
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The Pope Benedict 16 said rightly. Islam is religion which is spreading by force of sword and fire. IMO Muslims reaction to the Pope’s word proves the fact.
I think the analogy with Muslims violence during cartoon scandal (mass protest actions, disorders) fits here well. We are witnessing similar events presently. Muslims are setting on the fire Catholic and Orthodox Churches in Middle East. What do you think is better: to react by such violent actions to Pope’s announcement or by official declaration trying to change public opinion about Islam. Imo the second variant makes sense while the first only helps to aggravate tensions. Crazy Muslims choose path of violence ‘cause.
Unfortunately Muslims movements prove Pope’s words. Islam is warlike religion and it’s been spreading at rapid tempo all over the world. Moreover any word of criticism towards Prophet Muhammad is always perceived as personal insult by most Muslims. And they are always ready to react vigorously and spill the offender’s blood. And the offender is a non-Muslim at hand. It will be foolish to suppose that after this accident Muslims will be trying to show for the World that Pope was not right. Well, I think that all what they can do that burn, plunder and kill!
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That that is burnt by Orthodox Churches is from that that simply do not know, that the Christian Church shares on Orthodox and Catholic, these are completely different Belief with different dogmas...
And you to what carry churches why such allmighty Catholic church cannot will stop aggression of the Department of state the USA and the Pentagon? Where your freedom of speech or all Americans want war?
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I disagree with the idea that Islam is inherently any more violent than any other major world religion. If you want to say that it is the flaw of doctrine over reason that means that they can be easily manipulated by extremists then I would agree, but the idea that Islam is violent in itself is disproved by the millions of peaceful muslims that are alive today.
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that Islam is violent in itself is disproved by the millions of peaceful muslims that are alive today.
And who in general compares these religions?
I speak about that that the politics the USA at all does not take into account moral aspect of the actions!
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I disagree with the idea that Islam is inherently any more violent than any other major world religion. If you want to say that it is the flaw of doctrine over reason that means that they can be easily manipulated by extremists then I would agree, but the idea that Islam is violent in itself is disproved by the millions of peaceful muslims that are alive today.
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While what you say may be true, why is it that only the radical muslim movement gets all the air? If the majority of Islam is peaceful, then why to they stand idle and allow these thugs hijack their religion and run it into the ground?

Also, your first sentence borders on moral equivalency. Where is it that Chrisitians or Jews are beheading non-believers? When you look at the world stage, who is bombing in the name of Christianity or Judaism?
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While what you say may be true, why is it that only the radical muslim movement gets all the air? If the majority of Islam is peaceful, then why to they stand idle and allow these thugs hijack their religion and run it into the ground?

Also, your first sentence borders on moral equivalency. Where is it that Chrisitians or Jews are beheading non-believers? When you look at the world stage, who is bombing in the name of Christianity or Judaism?
There are genuine grievances that the third world has that is partly due to the disgusting way the West operates. It isn't hard to sympathise with someone who acts against an actor that effectively oppresses you even if you disagree with their reasoning or methods. For example, if you were a slave and were freed by a rival slave owner who killed your owner, would you really complain? Radical Islam is a product of socio-economic conditions, much like how Nazism was in Germany in the 30s. The fact Islam is the chosen doctrine that has been manipulated is in my mind irrelevent.

Manipulated Christian and Jewish doctrine has been used many times over the course of history to justify a great many atrocities. The Crusades, the actions of the KKK, the massacre of the Huguenots, religious war in the Balkans when Yugoslavia collapsed, anti-semitism on the grounds that they could have prevented Jesus's death (obviously forgetting Jesus was a Jew), I could go on. In the present day, Israel justifies its actions on defending the Jewish race and religion, even though what they are really saying is that they have a greater right to self-determination than the Palestinians. Bush's wars for oil are partially justified on the grounds of some moral crusade against "islamofascism".
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