Thread: Scottish "nationalists" win parliamentary majority for "independence" referendum

Peter, do you know you have a Union Jack in your profile as your location? Is that because you support the union?

Originally Posted by Viv

Peter, do you know you have a Union Jack in your profile as your location? Is that because you support the union?

I don't support the United Kingdom, no.

I don't support the union crown.
The union of the crowns means Scotland has the same monarch as England.

I don't support keeping the Windsor monarchy.

Salmond supports the union crown, wants to keep the Queen.

Samond supports dependence on the Queen. Salmond opposes Scottish national independence.

So I am not a unionist but Salmond is a unionist, he is a "unionist of the crowns".

I will repeat that because people simply do not notice this.

Alex Salmond is a unionist of the crowns.

Alex Salmond opposes real Scottish national indepedence.








I also support the independence of the Scots to elect our own head of state, Salmond doesn't.

I have previously explained Salmond's unionism already in this politicalforum topic -
http://www.politicalforum.com/wester...-betrayal.html

The Union Jack or flag I interpret as a British flag, as I consider myself to be "British" as well as "Scottish" - dual nationality you might say.

So I would support both an independent Scottish Republic and I would support an independent British republic.

I explain my position on Britain in this page on my website -
"Threats from the United Kingdom (U.K.)"
http://scot.tk/threatswithinUK.htm

I do know that many people confuse the United Kingdom with the British nation but they are not the same thing. I would say the biggest enemy of the British people is the United Kingdom state because that is the state which subjugates the British people.

I am fighting to free the Scots from the Queen's rule.
I am fighting to free the Britons from the Queen's rule.

Salmond and the SNP under him want to keep the status quo of rule by the Queen.

Scotland has done bloody well in being the 2nd biggest partner in the Union. Through the EU and the Commonwealth we have developed and then embraced a global culture that includes over 100 countries and over 2billion people in a worldwide partnership that has attempted to benefit all.


The Scots have proved within these all of these unions that we are good at blending in and forming social and economic partnerships, but now the nats are asking us to divorce the whole bally lot of them and start all over again.


If it's not broken then why break it and then try and fix it again?

Originally Posted by Scot Of Land

Scotland has done bloody well in being the 2nd biggest partner in the Union. Through the EU and the Commonwealth we have developed and then embraced a global culture that includes over 100 countries and over 2billion people in a worldwide partnership that has attempted to benefit all.


The Scots have proved within these all of these unions that we are good at blending in and forming social and economic partnerships, but now the nats are asking us to divorce the whole bally lot of them and start all over again.


If it's not broken then why break it and then try and fix it again?

It is broken.

"I note that the Scottish parliament has decided not to have a Scottish referendum, because most of its members understand what the SNP do not: that the first priority for the people of Scotland is not separation but social justice" Gordon Brown.

I don't often agree with GB, but he hit the nail on the head there. The SNP are a political joke.

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

"I note that the Scottish parliament has decided not to have a Scottish referendum, because most of its members understand what the SNP do not: that the first priority for the people of Scotland is not separation but social justice" Gordon Brown.

I don't often agree with GB, but he hit the nail on the head there. The SNP are a political joke.

And Scotland is a joke, is that your general leaning? It really is time for a parting of the ways, isn't it.

Gordon Brown is not in power, btw. Salmond is...very much so.

Alex Salmond has been given the green light by David Cameron to pursue a referendum on Scottish independence after the first minister swept back into power with a commanding majority in the Scottish parliament.

The prime minister spoke to Salmond hours after the Scottish National party won a dramatic victory in the Holyrood elections, and guaranteed that the UK government would not put any legal or political obstacles in the way of an independence referendum.

Ministers in London will also speed up the introduction of new borrowing powers for Holyrood, which will be worth at least £2bn, and allow communities in Scotland to earn more money from charges on offshore green energy projects currently paid to the Crown Estates.

Cameron's concessions finally clear away any prospect of the UK government challenging the legality of a referendum...

Salmond indicated he had no plans to speed up his intention of staging the referendum in the latter half of the new SNP government's five-year term. Speaking outside Holyrood after he posed for a photocall with the SNP's 69 MSPs, he said Cameron's decision was "inevitable" but his government would stick firmly to the timetable set out in the election campaign, and resist pressure to call an early referendum. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ish-referendum

Originally Posted by Scot Of Land

Scotland has done bloody well in being the 2nd biggest partner in the Union.

Who do you mean by "Scotland"? Do you mean "monarchist elites such as the Scottish aristocracy, judiciary and capitalists"?

The Scottish elite have done OK out of "the union", the Union of the Crowns and the United Kingdom, granted, but what of the ordinary Scots?

How bloody well did Highland Scots do in the Highland clearances?

How bloody well did Lowland Scots do when persecuted for their Covenanter beliefs?

How bloody well did the Scots do in World War 1 when working class Scots were herded by the UK King to their deaths defenceless right into the firing zone of the machine guns of an army of a related King?

How bloody well did the Scots do in the second world war when they were captured by the Japanese along with other poorly led British soldiers at the fall of Singapore, and at other infamous military disasters of the UK high command?

I think there has been plenty of Scottish blood spilt for the union but those who benefited were the Scottish royalist elite, not the ordinary Scot.

Don't get me wrong - I am more of a war monger than most Scots, but there are many ways, competently and incompetently, to fight a war.

I think we could have conserved our blood more efficiently all those years as an independent Scottish republic and this is the way forward for Scots.

Instead we have bled the ground red again and again for a rotten monarchy whose Kingdom is not a union of partner nations but a subjugation of all nations to a UK royalist elite. I say "enough of the UK".

But I also say "no" to Salmond and the SNP who practise the same deception as you do when they talk about "Scotland" and "an independent Scotland" never an independent Scottish nation electing our own head of state, a president of a Scottish republic because Salmond's SNP represent not the aspirations of the Scottish nation but of many in the Scottish royalist elite who simply want a bigger share of Scotland's resources, such as oil revenues, which they have no intention of sharing out to the ordinary Scots. This elite wants to keep the Queen because they know that the Queen will allow Salmond and his royalist elite pals to keep the lot.

I say "enough of the union of the crowns, enough of monarchy".

Originally Posted by Scot Of Land

Through the EU and the Commonwealth we have developed and then embraced a global culture that includes over 100 countries and over 2billion people in a worldwide partnership that has attempted to benefit all.

The Scots have proved within these all of these unions that we are good at blending in and forming social and economic partnerships, but now the nats are asking us to divorce the whole bally lot of them and start all over again.

If it's not broken then why break it and then try and fix it again?

Well perhaps Scots can stay in the EU, and press for republican revolution in the Commonwealth?

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

"I note that the Scottish parliament has decided not to have a Scottish referendum, because most of its members understand what the SNP do not: that the first priority for the people of Scotland is not separation but social justice" Gordon Brown.

I don't often agree with GB, but he hit the nail on the head there. The SNP are a political joke.

Flash Gordon Brown I love you but we only have 14 hours to save the British people!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvl_IHuRdXA]The Queen's ministers of Scotland 2011 betraying the Scots. (YouTube)[/ame]

Originally Posted by Lord Hamilton

You swear that you will well and truly serve her Majesty Queen Elizabeth in the office of First Minister, so help you God.

TRAITOR!

Originally Posted by BBC Reporting Scotland

So it's official, Alex Salmond is Her Majesty's First Minister and he soon set about appointing some of her senior Scottish ministers too.

Nicola Sturgeon was first to arrive at Bute House, she remains Deputy First Minster and Health Secretary.

Kenny MacAskill stays at Justice.
Mike Russell holds on as Education Secretary.
Richard Lochhead keep Rural Affairs.
John Swinney remains as Finance Secretary but some of his responsibilities are given away to this man -
and Alex Neil has been asked to be Secretary for Capital Investment and Infrastructure.
And they kept on coming as the cabinet kept on getting bigger.
Bruce Crawford is promoted to take care of Parliament and government strategy.
And Fiona Hyslop, demoted from the cabinet in 2009 is back as Culture Secretary.

Salmond has sworn to serve Queen Elizabeth and that means he won't be serving the Scots, he'll be betraying us for his Queen.

Salmond and his team of Queen's ministers are traitors who have sold us Scots into subjugation under the rule of terror by the Queen's judges, courts, police and prisons.

So don't trust them or their Queen.
Only a Scottish republic can deliver freedom and prosperity for the Scots.

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Salmond has sworn to serve Queen Elizabeth and that means he won't be serving the Scots, he'll be betraying us for his Queen. -Peter Dow

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Queen Elizabeth is Scotland's Queen as well, whether you like it or not.