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Old 01-30-2007, 09:19 PM
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By Jeffrey Fleishman and John Goetz, Times Staff Writer
2:11 PM PST, January 30, 2007
BERLIN -- German investigators have recommended that prosecutors issue arrest warrants against 13 U.S. intelligence operatives in connection with the kidnapping, beating and secret detention of a German citizen suspected of having links to terrorist networks.

The operatives were part of a CIA-sponsored team that transported alleged terrorists to interrogation camps around the world. Investigators say the group forced a handcuffed and blindfolded Khaled Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, onto a Boeing 737 and flew him from Macedonia to Afghanistan in January 2004. Masri was not charged with a crime and was released after five months. [...]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia31jan31,0,485431.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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Warrants issued.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6316369.stm

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German arrest warrants are not valid in the US but if the suspects were to travel to the European Union they could be arrested.
Beats me why the warrants are not valid in the US or why extradition can`t be sought but at least they`re valid across europe.

They should issue another for the C-in-C.
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The warrants aren't valid in the U.S. because the U.S. is a sovereign country. Much in the same way a U.S. warrant is not valid in Germany. Oftentimes you do get cooperation and the country not issuing the warrant will extradite the suspect, but they don't have to.
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the question is extradition.

If German spies kidnapped people in our country you can be sure we would try to arrest the German spies.

Heck, a country is allowed to arrest any spy on their soil so this is not just an American thing.
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Hey the next thing we could see is a fabricated story about Germans being implicated in a covert operation in Iraq that is putting our soldiers in peril. A fabricated allegation that is reason enought to threaten them with war.
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the question is extradition.

If German spies kidnapped people in our country you can be sure we would try to arrest the German spies.

Heck, a country is allowed to arrest any spy on their soil so this is not just an American thing.
You apparently missed the point. Of course we would try to arrest them just as the Germans are trying. The difference is the US is not obligated and neither is Germany. There are instances where the opposite has happened where it was the US after someone and a European country wouldn't assist. There is the US killer whose name I forget that was knowingly holed up in Switzerland. A terrorist charged with a long ago act (Klinghoffer possibly) who the US wanted to try but was actually tried in I believe Germany. And the Americans I am sure are no longer in Germany so they only get arrested if they go there or Europe.
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the question is extradition.

If German spies kidnapped people in our country you can be sure we would try to arrest the German spies.

Heck, a country is allowed to arrest any spy on their soil so this is not just an American thing.
You apparently missed the point. Of course we would try to arrest them just as the Germans are trying. The difference is the US is not obligated and neither is Germany. There are instances where the opposite has happened where it was the US after someone and a European country wouldn't assist. There is the US killer whose name I forget that was knowingly holed up in Switzerland. A terrorist charged with a long ago act (Klinghoffer possibly) who the US wanted to try but was actually tried in I believe Germany. And the Americans I am sure are no longer in Germany so they only get arrested if they go there or Europe.
as I said, it's about extradiction - the neocons are acting like "how dare Germany" when we would try the same thing.

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If a kidnapping as the Germans claim it took place the matter is clear because nobody can take the law into his own hand. I would propose to read more exactly the American constitution once, that comprises the same laws, as that Germain's.
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