Thread: Germany Puts Forward End Of British Pound -- UK Goes Crazy:

Originally Posted by tamora

I'm very disappointed in you Janpor. It was only a few months ago you were saying the UK should be "kicked out of the EU ASAP!" I'm was in total agreement with you in that; the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. "Sidelined" just isn't good enough!

As if I, a convinced European, could ever live with the idea of a Europe without Britain.

Never!

(!)

I could live with a Europe without Britain, in the idea to build-out our Union for the better without the British obstructionist attitude in the mean time.

UK will (re-)join eventually, the historic precedent has already been set for this (EFTA <=> Treaties of Rome), so I don't worry about that all -- not to mention that Scotland eventually will reclaim their independence, so an even more English-dominated UK will nourish nationalistic feelings in Northern Ireland and Wales.

For better or for worse, UK will be European -- always.

Janpor ,
Let me help you out in a basic matter .
The UK has its problems and when those around it start drowning , we will be pulled under as well .
That's the way Geo Political systems work .
BUT , remember . In the way that both Russia and the US , to a lesser extent , spend amazing amounts of time and money trying to spin events .
The EU has bred a race of elitist and dangerous twits of a very high order but very limited intelligence .
If they can convince you that the UK is in disarray , they will go to any lengths to do so .
There is untold wealth in the federalist idea of an EU Union -- for a new power elite .
All the Brits are doing and saying is , " we will not roll over without a fight . You are , in your way , as bad as Fascist Russia -- corrupt and entirely selfish --- but we will preserve identity and some independence , because so far you have shown yourselves to be incompetent and as corrupt as those you profess to oppose .
As in 1940 , we stand alone . But just watch how History judges us .

Originally Posted by janpor

Schäuble sagt das Ende des britischen Pfunds voraus



GoogleTranslation here



How this goes down in the UK, the DailyMail to be exact:

Schäuble Says UK Will Join Euro and Germany Has Plan To Block British Referendum:

Some segments:







Anyways, UK is going bonkers -- with good reasons.

As I have been saying for almost a year now: the British obstrucionist attitude is the cause for the UK to be completely side-lined. Good riddiance as far as I'm concerned!

Remember the days when your posts were factual.

Meanwhile in UK, this is what is actually going on:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15805130

UK is not joining the Eurozone.

Cameron met with Merkel because of some tax which will cost UK jobs. They have a good relationship. I suppose compared to some of the halfwit leaders Merkel is dealing with, even Cameron the buffoon appears Mensa quality.

Keep watching .
Cameron is no buffoon .
He will run rings round all of the public figures that I know .
He says that as the Eurozone is in debt , they better get themselves solvent .
Is there anybody in the world -- apart from Father Christmas -- who would say different?

Originally Posted by raymondo

Keep watching .
Cameron is no buffoon .
He will run rings round all of the public figures that I know .
He says that as the Eurozone is in debt , they better get themselves solvent .
Is there anybody in the world -- apart from Father Christmas -- who would say different?

Father Christmas is presumably himself solvent, and certainly not making everything worse by pursuing class war and throwing the young to the wolves.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Father Christmas is presumably himself solvent, and certainly not making everything worse by pursuing class war and throwing the young to the wolves.

I am trying to think of one country on the planet that does not split by Class --- and other variables as well .
Ahh . There isn't one
I think your wolverine reference to Russia and America is a little exaggerated , but may be you have an exclusive source .Perhaps you can provide examples of this barbaric practise. I feel sure this event has been removed from the Team GB Olympics schedule .

Originally Posted by raymondo

Keep watching .
Cameron is no buffoon .

Oh he is.

He will run rings round all of the public figures that I know .

This is no recommendation. As I said, compared with others Merkel has to deal with, he will appear competent. Being the best of a bad bunch doesn't denote ability.

He says that as the Eurozone is in debt , they better get themselves solvent .
Is there anybody in the world -- apart from Father Christmas -- who would say different?

Eh...and what was he told after giving this piece of unsurprising and predictable counsel? Sarkozy effectively told him to shut up and butt out.

He is really between a rock and a hard place. If he is not part of the Eurozone, his advice is frowned upon by those who are. If he joins the Eurozone in order to do what is required and what those in the Eurozone appear incapable of managing effectively...his own Party and country will dance on his bouffant head for buffoonery.

Originally Posted by janpor

As if I, a convinced European, could ever live with the idea of a Europe without Britain.

Never!

(!)

I could live with a Europe without Britain, in the idea to build-out our Union for the better without the British obstructionist attitude in the mean time.

UK will (re-)join eventually, the historic precedent has already been set for this (EFTA <=> Treaties of Rome), so I don't worry about that all -- not to mention that Scotland eventually will reclaim their independence, so an even more English-dominated UK will nourish nationalistic feelings in Northern Ireland and Wales.

For better or for worse, UK will be European -- always.

Physically separating the UK from Europe has never been an issue, so don't worry yourself about that.

Politically separating the UK from the European Union, is very much an issue.

As for the UK obstructionism, both the UK chancellor, George Osborne and David Cameron want more fiscal integration of the eurozone, and David Cameron and Angela Merkel claim to have the same plan for European growth, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

If the people of the UK ever manage to override the will of our establishment and leave the European Union, I couldn't imagine the circumstances in which we would re-join. (The Scots and the Welsh might well decide they want to remain members, though I'm a lot less certain about the people of Northern Ireland.) IMO people here are growing more cynical by the day about the whole political process and thus are less inclined to trust any politicians, but particularly mainstream ones, than they've ever been. That this also goes for European bureaucrats goes without saying.

Originally Posted by raymondo

Keep watching .
Cameron is no buffoon .
He will run rings round all of the public figures that I know .
He says that as the Eurozone is in debt , they better get themselves solvent .
Is there anybody in the world -- apart from Father Christmas -- who would say different?

Cameron is stating the obvious but that doesn't mean he isn't a buffoon. And as for running rings round the opposition, maybe he'll do that, and maybe he won't. If he does, he'll be the first British politician to do that to his European counterparts.

Originally Posted by raymondo

I am trying to think of one country on the planet that does not split by Class --- and other variables as well .
Ahh . There isn't one
I think your wolverine reference to Russia and America is a little exaggerated , but may be you have an exclusive source .Perhaps you can provide examples of this barbaric practise. I feel sure this event has been removed from the Team GB Olympics schedule .

Open class war against the poor and the sick is comparatively rare, however - and these two flabs are extremely stupid, and have never done a day's real work in their lives, as you know. Their right to criticise - let alone ruin - anyone is not immediately evident, is it?