Thread: Germany Puts Forward End Of British Pound -- UK Goes Crazy:

Cameron is shouting at the Eurozone from the peanut gallery on the outside.

For reasons beyond my understanding our David and George don't meet with your aggregate approval .
That's no great issue , as variety is the spice of life .
However , the Eurozone is bankrupt and there is nothing anybody can do , apart from delaying the inevitable by further Money creation-- whether that is notionally from the IMF , ECB , or even from the Fed , given as funds for further Banks re-capitalisation .
Unfortunately , though we were smart enough to avoid joining this doomed crackpot club , we are also EU members and as such can never leave , regardless of private wishes .
Further , the antics of the paralysed Zone countries directly affect us economically and therefore financially .
Nobody in their right mind would stand by mute listening to others make decisions that will affect our future .
Particularly as we have so far outsmarted all our immediate neighbours --- check back just two years when every smart arse had the UK written off as dead and buried economically and financially .
Like Lawson , Howe and Thatcher , our lads will pick their fights and and as the EZone rolls over, they will win those fights .It's our style , and history shows it works .

Originally Posted by raymondo

For reasons beyond my understanding our David and George don't meet with your aggregate approval .
That's no great issue , as variety is the spice of life .
However , the Eurozone is bankrupt and there is nothing anybody can do , apart from delaying the inevitable by further Money creation-- whether that is notionally from the IMF , ECB , or even from the Fed , given as funds for further Banks re-capitalisation .
Unfortunately , though we were smart enough to avoid joining this doomed crackpot club , we are also EU members and as such can never leave , regardless of private wishes .
Further , the antics of the paralysed Zone countries directly affect us economically and therefore financially .
Nobody in their right mind would stand by mute listening to others make decisions that will affect our future .
Particularly as we have so far outsmarted all our immediate neighbours --- check back just two years when every smart arse had the UK written off as dead and buried economically and financially .
Like Lawson , Howe and Thatcher , our lads will pick their fights and and as the EZone rolls over, they will win those fights .It's our style , and history shows it works .

Of course we can leave if parliament decides we should. The eurozone does of course massively affect the UK, but how have we outsmarted any of our immediate neighbours? Which fights did we win?

Originally Posted by tamora

Of course we can leave if parliament decides we should. The eurozone does of course massively affect the UK, but how have we outsmarted any of our immediate neighbours? Which fights did we win?

Not sure it is as easy as that .
Parliament can agree to take complete issue on a specific matter and repeat this process until the EU decides to suspend ( us ) .
However , any advantages gained by ' winning " on one issue have so far been judged as " peanuts" versus total losses we would suffer by complete withdrawal .
I am not an expert on the law in this matter , or even whether there really is one , should " push come to shove ".
We "won "by opting out of the Euro and by opting out of clauses in Maastricht and Lisbon .

Originally Posted by raymondo

Not sure it is as easy as that .
Parliament can agree to take complete issue on a specific matter and repeat this process until the EU decides to suspend ( us ) .
However , any advantages gained by ' winning " on one issue have so far been judged as " peanuts" versus total losses we would suffer by complete withdrawal .
I am not an expert on the law in this matter , or even whether there really is one , should " push come to shove ".
We "won "by opting out of the Euro and by opting out of clauses in Maastricht and Lisbon .

Parliament can repeal the 1972 Communities Act. The EU can react as it chooses. We wouldn't suffer on withdrawal because we run a huge trade deficit with the rest of the EU. It would hardly be in the EU's interests to start a trade war.

We didn't "win" anything. We gained nothing from the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties, both removed vetoes and it was only under pressure from James Goldsmith's Referendum Party that all three parties agreed to a referendum. (The Tories had already signed us up to Stages I and II of monetary union.) George Soros also showed them the error of their ways by getting us dumped out of the ERM. And our opt outs from the Lisbon Treaty are worth squat. Cameron, like Brown, Blair and Major, is a pushover. Even Thatcher wasn't the great battler she was cracked up to be and we pay the price for it every day.

It appears Cameron has won us the right to dilute the working time regulations. There's an attack on the working poor, who will bear the brunt of these "rights".

Originally Posted by Colonel K

There's an attack on the working poor, who will bear the brunt of these "rights".

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Anybody classing themselves as part of the working poor should be made to work incessantly and pay a Lazy Person Tax .
Punishment for low self esteem and no positive goals .
And if we re-introduce Saturday market place punishment in the stocks , they should always be hammered but encouraged to sing the National Anthem .
Double for Foreigners including the Welsh and Scotties . Not the Irish because they would enjoy all the attention .
Quote from David Millipede addressing the TUC .

Originally Posted by raymondo

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Anybody classing themselves as part of the working poor should be made to work incessantly and pay a Lazy Person Tax .
Punishment for low self esteem and no positive goals .
And if we re-introduce Saturday market place punishment in the stocks , they should always be hammered but encouraged to sing the National Anthem .
Double for Foreigners including the Welsh and Scotties . Not the Irish because they would enjoy all the attention .
Quote from David Millipede addressing the TUC .

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Now the working poor are a recognises and substantial sector of the community and that will increase as employers use and manipulate the economic crisis to eradicate employment rights. I don't see that as an occasion for levity. But then I am a Scot and you know what we're like about the good of the community as a whole, before the good of global corp piranhas.

Originally Posted by Viv

I don't see that as an occasion for levity. .

I was banking on someone like a Scottie having a vague idea of what is going on --- a little English blood has trickled through over the centuries .
But Irony , satire and surrealism -- let alone real black humour --- are beyond the comprehension of the vast bulk of posters here .
When you look at the intellectual poverty on this site , there is really only levity left over as an ingredient for sanity preservation .


Let's take this Topic as an example .
Nobody -- let alone a German -- has suggested putting an end to the British Pound . I , along with others , could put stronger arguments for Germany leaving at some point and using a new Euromark ( a PC version of the Deutsch Mark ).

Some people can see the EU being completely restructured at some distant point after the present Euro Zone has completely sunk . Within some loosely knit community of twenty something countries , there might be a NEW currency that works for " Northern " countries like Germany , the UK and france BUT is not the same for others -- like current so called PIIGS countries , for example .
And that could happen . But frankly it is a million miles away presently ( not kilometres ) and our first priority is helping rescue drowning Zoners .
Compassionate British leading again !!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Colonel K

It appears Cameron has won us the right to dilute the working time regulations. There's an attack on the working poor, who will bear the brunt of these "rights".

This is an interesting one. Firstly, in order to get this concession Cameron has agreed to "limited" treaty changes which he will support without putting them to a referendum (in contravention of his own plans to hold a referendum if the EU requires new powers). And secondly, things are rarely what they seem in European politics. The headline rarely lives up to the reality. Time will tell.

The WTD is an attack employers and employees alike.