Thread: Punishment law over Armenian Genocide denial in France

Originally Posted by raymondo

Get him sectioned .
Crime --- sticking his rear end in his mouth .
What a clown .

Did you take a wrong turn on your way to the footie forums you belligerent little oik!?

Originally Posted by DinoDino

This sort of issue should be settled by historical debate, not legislation. Such laws are an affront to the principles of democracy.

Then again we've seen how much France and Germany care about democracy with the abolition of the democratic process in Greece and Italy recently!

Repeat after me - Heil Sarkozy! Heil Sarkozy! Heil Merkel!

12 countries have Holocaust Denial Laws....that is laws forbidding the open and scholarly debate of the WW2 Holocaust. Are you aware of that?

Originally Posted by haydar

Don't you read what i wrote, you are asking a question which has answer inside the text...

yes, i did, i see you point . and you are wrong, http://www.politicalforum.com/latest...ml#post4872679

grown up, and its time take the answer for what you did 90 years ...

Originally Posted by DinoDino

Did you take a wrong turn on your way to the footie forums you belligerent little oik!?

Your cheapskate Avatar and accompanying mind set to produce a Red Terror Body Count as your defining slant on life , tells discriminating people everything we need to know .
To trot out mindless mantras like " Legislating against opinions is the first step towards totalitarianism " is unthinking .
Legislation against certain types of opinions is the mark of a cultured and sophisticated culture where the implications of Human Rights of all concerned parties are carefully weighed .Life is a bit more subtle and complex than your black and white tub thumping allows .
Of course legislation and censorship can be abused . But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water .

Originally Posted by raymondo

Your cheapskate Avatar and accompanying mind set to produce a Red Terror Body Count as your defining slant on life , tells discriminating people everything we need to know .
To trot out mindless mantras like " Legislating against opinions is the first step towards totalitarianism " is unthinking .
Legislation against certain types of opinions is the mark of a cultured and sophisticated culture where the implications of Human Rights of all concerned parties are carefully weighed .Life is a bit more subtle and complex than your black and white tub thumping allows .
Of course legislation and censorship can be abused . But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water .

The above statement is proof that any form of tyranny can be rationalized with enough enough cultural brainwashing.

(*)(*)(*)(*) subtlety. The world is black and white when it comes to things like Free speech. You either have it or you don't. Protecting unpopular opinions is what Free speech is all about!

Euro democracy is as tyrannical as any king.

Originally Posted by haydar

France will vote a law which will allow to punishment who has thesis that there was not Armenian Genoside.

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Great!

Originally Posted by haydar

Parlementers will vote to bann ideas.

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That's laughable at best, Haydar. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Originally Posted by haydar

While all proffesors historians are not totally agreed on it,

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Entirely false.

Almost everyone agrees, except for Turks of course. Pathetic.

Ottomans, especially the Turkish ones, were an evil blood-thirsty bunch.

Originally Posted by DutchClogCyborg

The vast majority of people agree the genocide happened by the Ottoman Turks, only a few disagree.

Sadly such laws must be passed as long as the Turks are unwilling to accept their deeds out of a lame sense of pride. The Greeks / Assyrian / Kurdish ( current) / and Armenian genocides are all equal altough not in scale.

Why sadly?

I hear all this talk about free speech? What a load of crap as far as I'm concerned.

What about values as honesty, righteousness and truth?

Isn't it the task of a civilized liberal-democracy, like we have in Europe, to protect minorities? We are not some underdeveloped countries like Egypt, Somalia or, yes, even Turkey.

Y'all know I'm not much of authoratitarion or a Rightie, but incidents like this, clearly shows that our civilization, culture, even our Christian religion are the most developed among humanity. Yes, I put religion in there too -- in Christianity concepts like, "accepting blame", "guilt" and "forgiveness" stand central. I believe this is a good thing.

Originally Posted by litwin

yes, i did, i see you point . and you are wrong, http://www.politicalforum.com/latest...ml#post4872679

grown up, and its time take the answer for what you did 90 years ...

Well said, Litwin!

Very true and wise words.

"leave history to historians."

Haha, France certainly knows how to deal with economical crisis.

Have different opinions, and be forced to pay 45.000€ and get jailed! Sarkozy is such a genius

Nobody can change historical facts via political oppression. Where is the freedom of speech, in heart of Europe? Do you get punished if you talk about French history, such as the Algerian Genocide?