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    Le Pen shocks France as far right hits historic heights


    Far-right National Front candidate Marine Le Pen obtained a surprising 18% of the vote in the first-round of France’s presidential election Sunday night. But who will those votes go to in the second round?
    By Sarah LEDUC (text)

    Having secured nearly one in five votes cast in the first round of France’s presidential election on Sunday, far right National Front candidate Marine Le Pen has the potential to swing what is likely to be a close second round on May 6.

    But for the moment, Marine Le Pen is not asking her supporters to choose between incumbent centre-right President Nicolas Sarkozy or Socialist challenger François Hollande. Instead, she is basking in the glory of her surprisingly strong showing – more than 18% of the vote – and touting her party’s central message: that the two main parties interchangeably represent the “elite”, while she is the one true alternative to the status-quo in French politics.

    “Tonight is historic,” Le Pen gushed to her supporters gathered in the 15th district of Paris on Sunday. “We are the only opposition to the ultra-liberal, libertarian left-wing.”

    Smiling and putting her hand to her heart, the National Front leader led the room in singing the French national anthem. A little girl, carried away by the festive atmosphere on election day, ran through the crowds carrying a tricoloured flag.


    Across the room, Jean-Marie Le Pen, the aging former leader of the party (and father of Marine) looked on with pride. “This is the start of a long road to a future victory,” he told a group of journalists. “Marine is the only one offering a path of change.”

    Marine, the face of the new far right

    More than 500 supporters came out to celebrate Le Pen’s strong first-round showing on Sunday night. Couples, families, and groups of friends brandishing “Marine for President” banners and decked out in “I Love Marine” pins and red-white-and-blue outfits and makeup, sipped white wine.

    The mood was one of pride and accomplishment. “Marine defends the values and traditions of France. That’s why I voted for her,” said 22-year-old Jérémie. “I handed out pamphlets, I did everything I could, and it paid off.”

    A more seasoned National Front loyalist, 42-year-old Jean-Christophe, explained his reasons for supporting the candidate. “I’m against legalising immigrants without papers, no exceptions….We’re not able to welcome them properly, so we should offer them aid in their own countries,” he said.

    Others were eager to point Marine Le Pen as a symbol of an evolving, more inclusive far-right party. Whereas her father, who acted as party president from 1972 to 2011, was known for inflammatory racist and anti-Semitic statements, Marine ran a campaign tightly focused on economic protectionism and an exit from the Eurozone.

    “People need to stop calling us fascists, Nazis, and racists – it’s ridiculous,” exclaimed Carl, aged 46, from Corsica. “I like everyone, no matter what the colour of their skin is!”

    A 'turning point' in French politics?

    According to her supporters, Le Pen’s historically strong performance Sunday night catapults her to the centre of the French political scene, making her a force that cannot be ignored by Sarkozy, Hollande, and their respective parties.

    “It’s a major turning point in French politics,” said Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, Marine Le Pen’s niece. “The candidates in the second round will be obligated to consider our policy proposals and solutions.”

    Le Pen is expected to clarify her position on the second-round face-off on May 1, just days before the final vote on May 6. National Front Vice-President Louis Alliot suggested on Monday that Le Pen would not formally endorse either candidate "as things stand".

    But some National Front voters may feel they have no other option. Antoine, a 46-year-old Corsican, said that his priority was to prevent the left from taking over the presidency and therefore guaranteeing France “a future like that of Greece”. He, as well as the four friends who accompanied him Sunday night, will therefore vote – grudgingly – for Sarkozy.

    Others will stay home. “Sarko and Hollande are the same,” one Le Pen supporter told France24.com. “They’re both defenders of executives and big bosses, not the working class – unlike Marine. I’ll stay in bed for the second round.”

    According to a poll published by Ipsos, a French market research company, 18% of National Front voters will vote for Hollande in the second round, while 60% will opt for Sarkozy.

    22%, however, have not yet decided.


    http://www.france24.com/en/20120423-...lande-election


    I think more and more Europeans are deciding to vote to remain European rather than become Eurabia. They are also rejecting the failed ideology of socialism.



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    I think the votes the National Front has been receiving says more about peoples concern over immigration levels, growing crime problems (from the children of these migrants), resentment towards the EU, and frustration with UMP conservative party, than it does about their actual ideological beliefs.
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    It seems that some Europeans(the stupid ones) forgot the lessons of what happens when you vote for racist scum who espouse the virtues of the "nation."
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post
    I think the votes the National Front has been receiving says more about peoples concern over immigration levels, growing crime problems (from the children of these migrants), resentment towards the EU, and frustration with UMP conservative party, than it does about their actual ideological beliefs.
    She targeted the poor and I am sure will have told them the source of their problems was as you write above. I hear she also softened the party, for the time being. How are they doing on their pro Israeli stance. When they get that right they will be well received by the anti Islam extremist network

    In October 2007, the CVF sponsored the Counterjihad Brussels conference that brought counterjihad speakers such as Robert Spencer and Bat Ye‘or together with far-right parties such as the Belgian Vlaams Belang and the Sweden Democrats.209 In a blog-post following the conference, CVF organiser Christine Brim said that the French fascist Jean-Marie Le Pen had not been invited to the conference because of his ‗current and past positions on Israel, the Holocaust and anti-semitism‘, but added:

    We suggest looking for the possible movement of Le Pen‘s political party Front National towards the center-right, as they may change their platform to pro-active support to improve the situations of European Jews and Israel.
    The same trend is happening in Austria, and with the BNP in the UK (also not invited and did not attend the conference). If such parties specifically state pro-Israel positions, and take real actions opposing anti-semitism and disavowing previous positions – and reach out to Jewish constituents and encourage Jewish participation in party positions - these are real actions to observe, and to approve. They have not done this yet - but are starting.210
    This flirtation ultimately proved abortive, as will be seen below. In Britain, the counterjihad‘s movement‘s alliance with the far-right would instead be manifested in new organisations that would rival the BNP.
    source: The Cold War on British Muslims http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/...sh-muslims.pdf

    Hope you have embraced her to your bosom. How long till Europe reaches 1930 levels of fascism - not long I think. Let's hope France keeps it together and that Hollande proves himself or I do worry for the direction France will be cajoled into.


    and why pray tell me, do all you anti-islam extremists need to be collectively pro Israel?

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    Why do progressives need to mask their failures by accusing their opponents of being totalitarian socialists from the mid 20th century?



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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    Why do progressives need to mask their failures by accusing their opponents of being totalitarian socialists from the mid 20th century?_
    No answer to a genuine question then. It is true that the anti-islam network is also extremely pro Israel. It doesn't even matter if people are anti semetic as many are, as long as they are pro Israel. You can see from the quote I gave above that this network described how it would be good to get Le Pen involved but it was necessary for the organisation to be pro Israel.

    I repeat a justified question. Why do all you anti islam extremists have to be pro israel extremists as well. Breivik included. ... and I am presuming you are one from your attempt to defend yourself with nothing. What is the connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    Why do progressives need to mask their failures by accusing their opponents of being totalitarian socialists from the mid 20th century?



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    Who did any such thing? She has little in common with Stalin, but she does have a decent amount in common with totalitarian nationalists from the early to mid 20th century!! We found out how that worked out last time. Not well.
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.

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    Disenchantment with the UMP and the failure of Sarkozy to deal effectively with the countries economic problems seem more to blame than xenophobia.

    I don't like le Pen or the National Front but she has gone a great deal to soften the image of the party with french voters and young people moving away in public perception from the outright racisim of her father to a broader question of immigration and the EU.
    "But the modern Irish, contrary to popular impression, have little sense of history. What they have is a sense of grievance, which they choose to dignify by christening it history. History therefore is 'not so much a matter of learning from the past as of stirring old grievances to keep them on the boil'."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanm34 View Post
    Disenchantment with the UMP and the failure of Sarkozy to deal effectively with the countries economic problems seem more to blame than xenophobia.

    I don't like le Pen or the National Front but she has gone a great deal to soften the image of the party with french voters and young people moving away in public perception from the outright racisim of her father to a broader question of immigration and the EU.


    So veiled racism instead of blatant racism? Is that better?
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.

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    No matter how often you repeat "nazi's were socialists" it will not make it true.
    "But the modern Irish, contrary to popular impression, have little sense of history. What they have is a sense of grievance, which they choose to dignify by christening it history. History therefore is 'not so much a matter of learning from the past as of stirring old grievances to keep them on the boil'."

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