Thread: Greece Election

It's all fascinating to watch.
Spain and Italy are in serious trouble, too.

Politicians! hah! They're all liars. Re elect NO ONE.

Originally Posted by mutmekep

I don't understand how defaulting will send the country "back to stone age"

em I was referring to the 'austerity' package

Originally Posted by mutmekep

There is no future for us in Eurozone , going back to drachma could cause a couple of years of misery

That is what people seem to say. For a while turmoil but then gradual recovery. You need to be prepared for the initial turmoil.

Originally Posted by alexa

em I was referring to the 'austerity' package

Let's pray that all of this rebelliousness will not affect Hotel Room Service .

Originally Posted by alexa

a far right party

If a left wing party can be "far right" what makes it far right? It's not as if the right has a monopoly on violence and being anti-immigrant.

As for Greece, according to opinion polls its people want to stay in the euro but they vote for anti-austerity measure parties. I'm not sure how they think the two positions can possibly be reconciled.

Originally Posted by tamora

If a left wing party can be "far right" what makes it far right? It's not as if the right has a monopoly on violence and being anti-immigrant.

Give everyone a break and keep up with the news. They are known as being neo nazis. Even Stormfront described them as 'the real thing'.

Originally Posted by tamora

As for Greece, according to opinion polls its people want to stay in the euro but they vote for anti-austerity measure parties. I'm not sure how they think the two positions can possibly be reconciled.

well I am sure that is what they each will be considering before June 17th.

Originally Posted by raymondo

Let's pray that all of this rebelliousness will not affect Hotel Room Service .

Good point. I have been wanting to get away from these Scottish winters and if they choose default, with the devalued currency looks like this year could be the time!

Common sense implies that it should be possible at some point to expell a nation from the Eurozone for bad behavior. However I've never got an answer as to how it could be done or what behavior would be bad enough. I myself think that not obeying austerity demands wouldn't be enough but that printing a trillion Euros when the other countries didn't want that done would be.

I don't know if preferances in favor of domestic payees or printing $50 billion extra Euros would be enough to merit expulsion. I also suspect that a lot of Europeans wouldn't know what would happen if Greece did 1 or both of these things. Certainly if 16 votes out of the 17 nations are required (if 17 were required Greece could veto its own expulsion) it would be very difficult to obtain. If only 9 or 12 votes were required it would be much easier to expell a member. Maybe 15 would be a reasonable number as it would prevent two nations from making a pact to prevent the other's expulsion and thus they could basically do whatever they wanted. If 3 nations want to make such a pact expulsion is probably a bad idea.

Greece could also put presure on Germany be hinting that if Germany gets them expelled from the Eurozone that will consider raising money by granting Army, Air and Navy bases to Russia. I'm sure Russia would like to have bases in the heart of NATO territory and that Germany wouldn't want Russian forces as close as Greece.

Euro is dropping German exports are increasing , why there is a problem ?

You still think that Italy or Portugal will vote for their future expulsion ?

Originally Posted by alexa

Give everyone a break and keep up with the news. They are known as being neo nazis. Even Stormfront described them as 'the real thing'.



well I am sure that is what they each will be considering before June 17th.

Give me a break. I know what they are "known as". I want to know WHY they are known as that. Why do YOU think it is, or are you just blindly following what others say? Incidentally Sky News said this morning that they are a Far Left party, probably because they have left wing economic policies!

And let's hope they are considering how they can remain in the euro and still reject austerity measures for everyone's sake.

Originally Posted by tamora

Give me a break. I know what they are "known as". I want to know WHY they are known as that. Why do YOU think it is, or are you just blindly following what others say? Incidentally Sky News said this morning that they are a Far Left party, probably because they have left wing economic policies!

And let's hope they are considering how they can remain in the euro and still reject austerity measures for everyone's sake.

You are just being deliberately argumentative and trying to destroy a thread because of your little wish to change reality. You check them up. If you want to start a thread on them feel free. There is already a thread on far right nationalism. Just don't destroy this thread which is about a real ongoing issue by flame baiting and deflecting from the topic.

FIY

The terms left wing and right wing are based on the seating arrangements in the French National Assembly, which directly preceded the French Revolution. The basic beliefs of each side are still equivalent to those of the parties seated there.

Left wing generally refers to more "liberal" or "progressive" views (as in wanting to change things in ways that have not been tried before), based on the belief that people are basically good and the government has a responsibility to care for all of its citizens to some degree. Taken to its logical conclusion, left wing politics become socialism.

Right wing usually refers to more "conservative" or "regressive" views (as in wanting things to stay the same or return to how they used to be). It is characterized by a belief in the natural selfish nature of humans and the view that achievement is equivalent to worth. The government should stay out of people's affairs and not force the more productive citizens to subsidize the less productive citizens. Taken to its logical conclusion, right wing politics becomes fascism.

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WhatIsLeftOrRightWing

Now use your intelligence to work it out. I have seen other threads on this forum with right wingers trying to argue Nazism is not right wing. Take it there. This thread is on the Greek elections. I will not answer any more of this baiting.