Thread: Where will flee Christian Europeans after Islam gains majority in forty years?

It depends what is our definiton for a Christian.. There's some who go to church all the sunday, some who go one church rarely, some who just believe, some who are agnostic etc... That's hard to say how many Christian there's in Europe, so...

Originally Posted by Ostap Bender

From where Europeans will get children, that is the point. What they can do against Muslim families with 7 - 20 children?
And without a Fundamentalist Christianity Europa has no smallest chance to stop a such aggressive Religion like Islam.

lol. Islamic families hardly have bigger families. 7 to 20 children? Haha. You are so out of touch with reality. The fertility rate of Islamic women has been falling for steadily for ages and are now barely higher. For example, in the Netherlands ultra-conservative protestants have the highest fertility rate while Turkish families have smaller families than the average Dutch family and Moroccan families have a slightly larger than the average Dutch family.

You suffer from delusional paranoia.

The decline in religion in Europe and the supposed "islamisation" are two entirely different things, therefore, I will discuss them separately. Note that I will mostly look at the situation in Germany since I am German myself and therefore know what I'm talking about.

Christianity dying out: Christianity is by no means dying out in Europe. The majority of Europeans still identify themselves as Christians. The only difference to the US is that people in Europe, and definitely Germany, are turning away from organized religion. This has a lot to do with the fact that the organized religions, mainly the Catholic church but to a lesser extent the Protestant churches as well, are quite unwilling to reform themselves. Things like celibacy, the divide between Catholics and Protestants, the traditional beliefs concerning contraceptives, sex before marriage and homosexuality are turning more and more people away. The massive child abuse/pedophilia scandal in the last few years didn't help either. So instead of turning to the big organized religions, the people practice their own religion. That does not mean that Europeans aren't spiritual or Christians any more.

Islamisation: This is the worst alarmist and populistic belief of the last few years. Thanks to the economic situation, the bank and euro crisis, some people are desperately trying to find a scapegoat which are the muslim citizens this time around. At least that is my opinion. In 2011 7.3 million immigrants lived in Germany. That's 9.0% out of 81.8 million citizens. The largest homogenous group were the Turks with 1.6 million citizens. 3 million immigrants came from various EU member states and another 2.3 million immigrants came from nations not belonging to the EU. All these numbers are from the Federal Office of Statistics which you can visit here: http://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlage...tml?nn=1694444

Now let's take a closer look at these numbers. I think it is pretty safe to assume that the 3 million immigrants from EU member states are not in fact muslims and therefore don't propagate "islamisation" in any way, shape or form. Even if all of the 2.3 million immigrants from non-EU member states and the 1.6 million immigrants from Turkey are all muslims, which I highly doubt anyway, then that would mean that 3.9 million muslim immigrants lived in Germany in 2011. That's about 5% of the entire population. Do you really think that 5% of the population could bring about any signifcant change, let alone an "islamisation" of Germany? I don't really think so.

Now, there are definitely some problems with integration of immigrants in Germany and Europe as a whole. But these problems stem, in my opinion, mostly from the treatment immigrants have long since experienced in Europe. They are not in fact embraced but instead viewed as something that you have to be wary of at the very least. The immigrants have been pushed into certain city areas and avoided as much as possible. Oftentimes they don't have very good future prospects and job opportunities, something that is bound to breed frustration. And language courses for immigrants are not as freely given and intensive as they should be, at least not in Germany. Considering all this, is it really such a big surprise that we have created a parallel society in many European countries? I believe that instead of fearing some kind of "islamisation" we should be much more welcoming and forthcoming towards immigrants.

Due to the rise of extremist parties in Europe, most established political parties started to implement more restrictive immigration policies and the era of utopian multiculturalism is already behind us. Nordic countries such as Norway and Denmark now have very restrictive immigration laws and Muslim populations in Europe are expected to decline if this trend continues. The UK government is working on a plan to reduce non-EU immigration to tens of thousands in the next few years and Britain could restrict the immigration of EU citizens if the eurozone economic crisis worsens.

Take a look at how Christian communities eek out an existence in muslim countries. This may be what europeans will have to endure in the distant future. The muslims population is growing much faster than it is integrating into european culture. European culture will not so much be changed, rather it is being replaced. Religious policies that secular europeans would find completely ridiculous today will become legitimate political debates in the future.

Politics of the future will be shaped along ethnic lines, like it is in many other countries in hte world that have ethnically diverse populations. If europeans never learned anything about Islam from the partition of India, they are probably doomed.

http://www.statsvet.su.se/publikatio...of_india_r.htm

Originally Posted by mutmekep

The vast majority of immigrants are christian Africans and soon their version of christianity will be the dominant one on a global scale..

The figures don't back up your opinion. The grteatest flood into the west is from MUSLIM countries. They also use their "arranged marriage" bull****
to bring all their relations and friends over too. Muslim Somalia seems to be relocating their entire country into the christian west.
Plenty of christian Africans yes. Plenty of non-christians from China too. But muslims should be settling in muslim countries. THEY'RE NOT

Originally Posted by clarisse150

Disturbing video!
But now, I don't think that in Europe we can speak about that without be considerate as a racist person...
But this suject is less and less taboo; so, I think that one day we will speak about this problem in Europe.

The politically correct and their muslim leash-holders rely entirely on this "racist" crap in order to continue flooding Europe with these islamacist parasites.

Originally Posted by Phil K

The politically correct and their muslim leash-holders rely entirely on this "racist" crap in order to continue flooding Europe with these islamacist parasites.

I don't think that the word "parasite" can be use... There's a lot of Muslim who are some very good person, when they aren't extremist and when they respect other cultures, there's no problem, some can be really very nice, have native European friend, etc... And in this case, they are a well thing for the country, in my opinion.

But that sad to see that in Europe we can't speak about every the subjects... That's a miss freedom!
And what I don't understand is that if a native European say a bad thing about Islam, he is always badly considered, but if when a Muslim offend a native European, he will do not have any problem; some people will even think that it's good... If people of foreing origins have more rights than people of native origin, that's not the equality... Racism don't exist only for colored people... After, we musn't be surprise to see that there's a lot of problem about that in Europe...

Originally Posted by clarisse150

It depends what is our definiton for a Christian.. There's some who go to church all the sunday, some who go one church rarely, some who just believe, some who are agnostic etc... That's hard to say how many Christian there's in Europe, so...

Christians follow what Jesus suggested as to behaviour. There are rather a lot in Europe, almost none in America, where the religious are eaten up with hatred and ignorance.

Originally Posted by alexa

Well, I was reading only yesterday that the UK does have a strong resistance to organised hate of minorities - the writer put that down to a strong memory of the Nazi's and how opposition of their mentality was still strongly alive in the collective psyche.

For me, my Irish mum took me aside and taught me about racism when I was 4. I had never met anyone but white people at the time but I am glad at such a young age, having previously learned about the holocaust, that she alerted me to such things. Nothing to do with PC and in no way is distaste of white nationalism and persecution of minorities confined to people in the UK.

But, do you have strong resistance to organised hate from minorities? I don't think so.


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