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Old 02-07-2008, 07:00 PM
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The Archbishop of Canterbury: 'UK should adopt sharia law for Muslims'

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The Anglican leader advocated giving it official status in the UK on the grounds that it would help maintain social cohesion, as some Muslims do not relate to the British legal system.
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The National Secular Society criticized his comments and said it was another example of Britain "sleepwalking to segregation... You can't have a country where you have separate laws for separate faith groups."
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an interesting juxtapositioning of positions.

the anglican said the muslims would not have to chose between: "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty." and i think implying that because they had their sharia they then would be loyal to the state. but this all reminds me of a Bernard Lewis quote:

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In the Islamic world, from the beginning, Islam was the primary basis of both identity and loyalty. We think of a nation subdivided into religions. They think, rather, of a religion subdivided into nations. It is the ultimate definition, the prime definition and the one that determines, as I said, not only identity, but also basic loyalty....
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:09 PM
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Most muslims who move out of the Middle-east did so in part to get away from the Sharia law because they perceived it as too strict or nonsense. If you implement it in Britain, you might as well just scrap the whole point in being in Britain.
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I cant understand just one why the head of christian anglican church suggest such stuff?...Real englishmen never will recognise such solution of migration problem,they need get quots and then cut off all this tollerant rights of muslims.My east of region full of muslims,but region head work at the solution of this problem,just get a law which will agreed deportation of them and again quots...

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الشريعه الإسلامية واسعه المفاهيم ولا أعلم أي جانب يريد تطبيقه ، أنا أعتقد أن المملكة والمتحدة تتمتع بحريه وعداله مع جميع المواطنين ولا تمنع المسلمين من ممارسة شعائره ولا لبس الحجاب الإسلامي وليس هناك تمييز عنصري في القنانون البريطاني وأيضاً في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية كذلك فهم على قدر من العداله لا يتمتع به المسلمون في بلدانهم ، كما أن الشريعه الإسلامية لها أفرع كثيره وربما يكون النظام الإقتصادي الأسلامي هو الأنسب عالمياً والأكثر عداله وقليل هناك من يطبقه أما القيود الإجتماعيه فهي إجتهادات من رجال دين مسلمين وليس بالضروره أن تكون هي وجهة نظر الإسلام نفسه فأنا من واقع قرب ومعرفه بالإسلام أجزم أنه دين مبني على التعايش والسلام والتأقلم بجميع البيأت العالمية ولكن المشكلة في فهم هذا الدين فهم صحيح
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أنا أعتذر منكم على الكتابه باللغة العربية ولكن لا أعرف اللغة الأنجليزية وأعتمد على ترجمة قوقل لما أجده في المنتدى من كتابات وهي الأقرب فأنا لو قمت بالكتابه بالعربية ثم ترجتها ربما لا تكون الترجمه صحيحه لذلك سيكون هناك لبس كبير فأخترت الكتابة بالعربية ومن لديه الرغبه في ترجمة ما أشارك به فهذا رابط المترجم من قوقل

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I wonder what those threads actually said? I wonder if Admin can say for sure the content of the text is acceptable to this forum's rules?
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الشريعه الإسلامية واسعه المفاهيم ولا أعلم أي جانب يريد تطبيقه ، أنا أعتقد أن المملكة والمتحدة تتمتع بحريه وعداله مع جميع المواطنين ولا تمنع المسلمين من ممارسة شعائره ولا لبس الحجاب الإسلامي وليس هناك تمييز عنصري في القنانون البريطاني وأيضاً في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية كذلك فهم على قدر من العداله لا يتمتع به المسلمون في بلدانهم ، كما أن الشريعه الإسلامية لها أفرع كثيره وربما يكون النظام الإقتصادي الأسلامي هو الأنسب عالمياً والأكثر عداله وقليل هناك من يطبقه أما القيود الإجتماعيه فهي إجتهادات من رجال دين مسلمين وليس بالضروره أن تكون هي وجهة نظر الإسلام نفسه فأنا من واقع قرب ومعرفه بالإسلام أجزم أنه دين مبني على التعايش والسلام والتأقلم بجميع البيأت العالمية ولكن المشكلة في فهم هذا الدين فهم صحيح
Islamic Sharia broad concepts I do not know any side wants to implement it, I think that the United Kingdom and to enjoy freedom and justice to all citizens not prevent Muslims from exercising their own religion and unambiguous Islamic headscarf and there is no racial discrimination in Alguenanon British and also in the United States of America as well as understand the measure of justice not enjoyed by the Muslims in their countries, and the Islamic Sharia has many branches, it may be the Islamic economic system is the most appropriate and most universal justice, there is little of either applied social constraints are the jurisprudence of Muslim clerics, and not necessarily be the point of view of Islam himself from the reality I am near I am confident and know that the religion of Islam is based on coexistence, peace and adapt all BIAT global, but the problem in understanding the true understanding of religion

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أنا أعتذر منكم على الكتابه باللغة العربية ولكن لا أعرف اللغة الأنجليزية وأعتمد على ترجمة قوقل لما أجده في المنتدى من كتابات وهي الأقرب فأنا لو قمت بالكتابه بالعربية ثم ترجتها ربما لا تكون الترجمه صحيحه لذلك سيكون هناك لبس كبير فأخترت الكتابة بالعربية ومن لديه الرغبه في ترجمة ما أشارك به فهذا رابط المترجم من قوقل
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Thankyou JMS

It would seem that our friend speaks the truth

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I am amazed at the sheer stupidity of the Archbishop. Putting everything else to one side, he is encouraging the competition when his job is supposed to be encouraging the promotion and retention of Christian values (you know, top guy in the Anglican Church?). His comment is like the coach of the Yankees cheering for the Red Soxs at a play-off game.

If I were the Anglicans, I'd move to remove him. He obviously is not fit for the job. In fact, a little sackcloth and ashes might be a more appropriate tradition for the Archbishop of Canterbury to adopt.
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Why is everyone surprised? I read things like this all the time about how the leaders in the home of western civilization just can't wait to culturally surrender to the forces that their ancestors fought for thousands of years.
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