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YIPPY TI YI YO, EUROPE!
by Victor Davis Hanson
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February 22, 2008

Neuroticism abroad.


In the last few days, we've been reminded yet again that Europe's radical secularism, atheism, socialism, multiculturalism, childlessness, and aging population make a fascinating but unstable mix — a lovely, fragile orchid in a thinly protected greenhouse.

Kosovo has just declared its independence from Serbia, and what follows could be nightmarish. An oil-rich, bellicose, and rearming Russia doesn't much like the new breakaway state. But France, Germany, and most of the European Union — other than its Orthodox members and those in close proximity to Vladimir Putin — encouraged it. To paraphrase Joseph Stalin, "How many divisions does the EU have?"




Recently Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking on German soil, told cheering Turkish workers and Germans of Turkish ancestry that assimilation is "a crime against humanity" — in between demands that the European Union admit his increasingly Islamicized Turkey to full membership. The American press passed over Erdogan's broadside, but it was a revolutionary, nationalist appeal to German residents of Turkish backgrounds, over the head of, and contrary to, the German government itself—eerily like, mutatis mutandis, Hitler's appeal in the late 1930s to the supposedly oppressed Germans of Czechoslovakia. Meanwhile Norway is about to request 100,000 Turkish guest workers for its cash-rich but labor-poor economy. The French, however, are sighing ‘been there, done that,' as police sweep public housing projects in the Paris suburbs looking for Muslim immigrants implicated in past riots.

The British press claims that Muslim immigrants committed over 17,000 acts of "honor" violence in Britain last year. Perhaps in response, the Archbishop of Canterbury conceded that imposition of a parallel system of sharia law in the United Kingdom might be "unavoidable." Iran just warned Denmark to silence its newspapers, which once again are republishing caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

Meanwhile, many European NATO troops in Afghanistan rarely venture into combat zones, even as U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pleads in vain for Europe to send over a few more thousand from its nearly two-million-man standing army. A recent Pew poll revealed that in many European countries only about 30-40 percent of those surveyed have a positive opinion of the United States.

How do all these diverse narratives and agendas add up? The vaunted European multicultural, multilateral, utopian and pacifist worldview is now on its own and thus will get hammered as never before in the unrelenting forge of history. Very soon there will be no more George W. Bush to dump on, hide behind, and blame for the widening cracks in the Atlantic alliance. Instead Europeans may well have to call on the old pro, Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama, to lead them in negotiating sessions with jihadists, Iran, and Russia.

Consider Kosovo again. Europe is invested, quite rightly I think, in promoting its independence. But it is a Muslim country in a post-9/11 landscape, with a history of drawing not only Albanian but also Middle Eastern jihadists to its defense. Russia and Serbia together have the military wherewithal to invade it tomorrow — Serbia by land, Russia by air — and end its breakaway experiment — to the relief of some Eastern European and Orthodox European states, and to the humiliation of the EU. What stops them is not a few NATO peacekeepers but the commitment of the United States to use its vast resources to further the European agenda of stopping Serbian ethnic cleansing and aggression.

Yet consider our dilemma. Why would we intervene abroad in a third war when our allies have lectured us ad nauseam about the amorality of military intercession, have shown little interest in fighting jihadism in Afghanistan or Iraq, and have made clear that they want very little to do with the United States? And after 9/11, why would the United States rush to the aid of a Muslim country in a war whose earlier incarnation, under Bill Clinton, was never authorized by the U.S. Congress or the U.N.?

In short, I doubt the United States will "surge" anything in the Balkans. We will be quite happy to see a postmodern European solution to an essentially European problem. No doubt Sen. Harry Reid or Speaker Nancy Pelosi will remind the public that President Bill Clinton never got a formal congressional treaty authorization to deploy and station American troops in the former Yugoslavia.

The more labor that a secular, increasingly sterile European populace imports, the more social problems will accrue from unassimilated Muslim immigrants who like the economy and freedom of the West but are reluctant to relax any of their own religious and cultural views to participate fully in the postmodern society of their hosts. The resulting "can't live with them, can't live without them" is not a static situation, but one that will be resolved either in multicultural/appeasement fashion (grant de facto sharia law at home and seek friendly realignment with Middle Eastern dictatorships abroad) or with tough assimilationist and immigration policies, coupled with increasingly explicit distrust of expansionary Islam.

Europe is short on energy and depends on illiberal Russia and the Middle East for its fuel. Both these regions are sick and tired of Europe's empty lectures about human rights and feel only disdain for its absence of military might to back up its sermonizing. But Europe is also anti-American, and now in a world of Ahmadinejihads, Putins, Chinese communist apparatchiks, and thuggish Latin American strongmen, it has more or less alienated the only reliable and capable resource it might have drawn on — the goodwill of the United States.

Europe is in a classic paradox. Emotionally and culturally, Europeans are invested in a leftist such as Obama who reflects their soft socialist values and fuzzy multilateralism. But given their inherent military weakness and rough neighborhood, they have grown to count on an antithetical America — religious, conservative, militarily strong — that is not afraid to use force to fulfill its obligations to preserve the shared Western globalized system from its constant multifarious challenges. I'm not sure they privately want a President Obama calling Sarkozy or Merkel and announcing, "I think we should co-chair a worldwide Islamic conference to hear out Iran's grievances." Much better it would be for the U.S. to ensure that Iran doesn't get the bomb — at which point the French elite would trash America in Le Monde for being unilateral, cowboyish, and preemptive.

Our response to this Euro-neuroticism?

We are weary and tired of it. As our ancestors out West used to sing, "Yippy ti yi yo, get along little dogies, It's all your misfortune and none of my own…"

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Building gulags and sending our complete leadership there would be the first step to a solution I believe! Afterwards we resolve the EU, retake our independence and send all those who do not belong here and which either can not or do not want to be integrated, or both, back to their homelands!

Once we have done that overpopulation and and job shortage will decrease sharply and in the process cause a heavy rise in the overall quality of living! Europe could again become a beacon of civilization and freedom the rest of the world looks up to!
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Russia and Serbia together have the military wherewithal to invade it tomorrow — Serbia by land, Russia by air — and end its breakaway experiment — to the relief of some Eastern European and Orthodox European states, and to the humiliation of the EU.
They certainly do

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What stops them is not a few NATO peacekeepers but the commitment of the United States to use its vast resources to further the European agenda of stopping Serbian ethnic cleansing and aggression.
Oh, some more propaganda... Hey people, Milosevic is dead, remember?
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halla not only sounds a bit misinformed, but extremely opinionated on his perception. I skimmed his "blog" fashioned "rant" ( I seriously doubt anyone read all the way thru it)...to call it anything other, would be a joke, as he is obviously not a journalist...jouranlist try to investigate and research their information and base even their editorial commentary on well informed, factual data.

I think when I read Stalin saying something about the "EU", I realised what I was dealing with...as the EU didnt exist prior to Stalin's death. or the lame opinion of the US ever investing anything into the Balklands...that is identical to saying US's interest in Israel is non-existent. Basically it sounds like a typical American, jealous of European superiority and economic might.
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I think when I read Stalin saying something about the "EU", I realised what I was dealing with...as the EU didnt exist prior to Stalin's death. or the lame opinion of the US ever investing anything into the Balklands...that is identical to saying US's interest in Israel is non-existent. Basically it sounds like a typical American, jealous of European superiority and economic might.
i will now believe you of your ignorance.

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To paraphrase Joseph Stalin, "How many divisions does the EU have?"
paraphrase:
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1. A restatement of a text or passage in another form or other words, often to clarify meaning.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/paraphrase

thus the existence/non existence of the E.U. during the time of stalin is of no meaning.

it is well know that the countries of the eu, short of eunuchs, spend their money of social services and not military services thus making this mills quote relevant:

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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
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the burden of keeping the EU free has been the american burden.

in the second world war it was the soviets and americans burden to free europe from nazism.

europe is composed of mainly narcissistic adults who spill their seed upon barren ground and then hire third worlders to do their dirty work and support the great whites in a manner that they have grown accustomed to. one of self involved self importance.
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europe is composed of mainly narcissistic adults who spill their seed upon barren ground and then hire third worlders to do their dirty work and support the great whites in a manner that they have grown accustomed to. one of self involved self importance.
That's about the most ignorant thing i've read here so far...
You must've never been outside of your country, your village - heck, even your house for a looong time, if you're seriously sticking to those views.
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europe is composed of mainly narcissistic adults who spill their seed upon barren ground and then hire third worlders to do their dirty work and support the great whites in a manner that they have grown accustomed to. one of self involved self importance.

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That's about the most ignorant thing i've read here so far...
You must've never been outside of your country, your village - heck, even your house for a looong time, if you're seriously sticking to those views.

shallow, the proof is in the pudding. the eunuch are replicating in numbers that graphed produces an asymptote. the population is in a gradual collapse.

let quote the great UN:

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United Nations projections indicate that over the next 50 years, the populations of virtually all countries of Europe as well as Japan will face population decline and population ageing. The new challenges of declining and ageing populations will require comprehensive reassessments of many established policies and programmes, including those relating to international migration.
the great UN

why is the population declining? wow, what an insightful question. i am glad i asked. the answer must be that the female carbon units are not copulating with the male carbon units with the purpose of producing little carbon units. ergo, the seed is falling upon barren ground.

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Europe’s Population at a Turning Point Europe has just Entered a Critical New Phase of its Demographic Evolution
Delays in childbearing make a big difference for the birth rate
Vienna – Laxenburg, 28 March 2003 – The age composition of Europe’s population has been modified by past low birth rates to such a degree that there are fewer children today than adults of reproductive age. This phenomenon – called “negative momentum” by demographers – implies that even if women in the future should have an unexpected fertility increase to two children on average the population would (in the absence of migration and mortality changes) be destined to shrink. This new force toward population shrinking appeared in Europe around the year 2000 and will become more and more powerful the longer fertility stays at its current low levels. And these current low fertility rates are partly a result
of continued delays in childbearing....blah, blah, blah.
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/POP/...nce_280303.pdf
can shallow fathom the depths of this problem?

thus to support graying barren great whites europe needs to import third worlders to support the great whites in their golden years.

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According to the researchers’ calculations, if women’s average age at childbirth continues to increase for another 10 to 40 years:
• There will be a built-in tendency for population size to decline by 55 million to 144 million by 2100;
• an additional 500 to 1500 million person-years of workers will be needed to maintain the support ratio for the elderly population over the rest of the century.
explained: even if the female carbon units decide to produce little carbon units there is a built in population decline which will have to be made up by imported carbon units.

first there will be a decline of the great white carbon units to the tune of 55 to 144 million. wiki say there were in 2005 728 million 'human' units living in the land of the eunuch. mathing in the average of 55+144 million would mean that there would be 628.5
living ununchs. but then the study says that between 500 and 1500 million imported carbon units will be needed. taking the average that would be 1,000 imported carbon units.

now shallow a deep math question. what is greater 728 million indeginous carbon units or 1 billion imported carbon units?

the 1 billion imported carbon units being the average of 500 and 1,500 million being necessary to insure the graying eunuch are supported in the life style the know they deserve.
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replace this "1,000 imported carbon units." with 1,000 million" i timed out on the editor.
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europe is composed of mainly narcissistic adults who spill their seed upon barren ground and then hire third worlders to do their dirty work and support the great whites in a manner that they have grown accustomed to. one of self involved self importance.




shallow, the proof is in the pudding. the eunuch are replicating in numbers that graphed produces an asymptote. the population is in a gradual collapse.

let quote the great UN:


the great UN

why is the population declining? wow, what an insightful question. i am glad i asked. the answer must be that the female carbon units are not copulating with the male carbon units with the purpose of producing little carbon units. ergo, the seed is falling upon barren ground.


http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/POP/...nce_280303.pdf
can shallow fathom the depths of this problem?

thus to support graying barren great whites europe needs to import third worlders to support the great whites in their golden years.



explained: even if the female carbon units decide to produce little carbon units there is a built in population decline which will have to be made up by imported carbon units.

first there will be a decline of the great white carbon units to the tune of 55 to 144 million. wiki say there were in 2005 728 million 'human' units living in the land of the eunuch. mathing in the average of 55+144 million would mean that there would be 628.5
living ununchs. but then the study says that between 500 and 1500 million imported carbon units will be needed. taking the average that would be 1,000 imported carbon units.

now shallow a deep math question. what is greater 728 million indeginous carbon units or 1 billion imported carbon units?

the 1 billion imported carbon units being the average of 500 and 1,500 million being necessary to insure the graying eunuch are supported in the life style the know they deserve.
Carbon units, eunuchs? Go get you some rest man!
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" is what a wise man once said and you should've listened to him.
You can apply pretty much all the things you've said on the US as well. No surprise here, the number of children generally goes down as the prosperity increases.
The Hispanic immigrants (="third worlders who do the dirty work" - your words) keep the US' population growing. The birthrates of the other ethnic groups don't seem to be too encouraging:

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The USA would hardly grow in the next 50 years except for Hispanic immigrants, who have a higher birthrate than non-Hispanic whites. White women, who give birth to 56% of the children born here, have an average 1.85 babies. Blacks average about two and Asians 1.9. Hispanics have 2.8. The overall birthrate is slightly above two — just below replacement levels.
http://texasedequity.blogspot.com/20...ontest-to.html

Now halla a deep math question. Based on those numbers, which ethnic group do you think is going to amount the majority in 20+ years in the US?
Yes, correct: The Hispanics! Smart carbon unit!
So the US actually does what you falsely accused Europe of...

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Now halla a deep math question. Based on those numbers, which ethnic group do you think is going to amount the majority in 20+ years in the US?
Yes, correct: The Hispanics! Smart carbon unit!
So the US actually does what you falsely accused Europe of...
shallow, there is nothing either in the blog nor the excerpt you gave that stated that in 20+ years there would be a hispanic majority in the united states. your argument is naked of anything but your vacuous assertion.

so shallow, i would say "a man who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool". i could also argue that being hispanic doesn't make one an 'import' and to say so is racist. puerto rico is populated by hispanics and puerto ricans are citizens (since 1917) of the united states.


you sourced a blog and that is ok, but let me source from infoplease who claim to use the united states census.

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102.6 million
The projected Hispanic population of the United States as of July 1, 2050. According to this projection, Hispanics will constitute 24% of the nation’s total population by that date.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html

so it appears shallow is a bit shallow on facts given that in 2050 info please says the united states will be 24% hispanic and shallow 'fabricates' a majority of hispanics in 20+ years or sometime in the mid 30s

so shallow, i eagerly await another of your "corrections". the onus is on you. don't pump yourself us at someone else's expense. you only expose your inadequacies.

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So the US actually does what you falsely accused Europe of..
sorry shallow you are pointing at the wrong party. contact

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they deserve full credit for the statistics, i take credit for the colorful language. you can take credit for being wrong.
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