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Old 04-28-2008, 02:09 PM
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Rome - Centre right candidate Gianni Alemanno has won the mayoral election in Rome with almost 54 percent of the votes cast. This puts him ahead of his left wing rival Francesco Rutelli and brings to an end the 15-year rule of the city's left wing administration.

Mr Alemanno is a political ally of Silvio Berlusconi, who two weeks ago was the big winner in Italy's parliamentary elections.
Let's add it up. We now have relative conservatives in power in Italy, France, Germany and I guess we could say in part, England. We have conservative economic policies in the Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. I'm being brief here.

AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS GOING TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE BUSH HAS DONE TO OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS?
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Let's add it up. We now have relative conservatives in power in Italy, France, Germany and I guess we could say in part, England. We have conservative economic policies in the Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. I'm being brief here.

AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS GOING TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE BUSH HAS DONE TO OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS?
The Europeans might've elected more Atlanticists because of the alienation on both sides of the pond. The fact remains however that France and Germany, 2 of the 3 biggest power brokers in Europe are not helping us in Iraq. I would be skeptical of European Conservatism, remember these people were behind the Roman, French, British, German and Italian empires.

Conservatives in Europe generally are very anti-EU which is not a step in the right direction. The EU and US should be sort of a ying-yang type of setup to prevent one from doing something stupid. Hopefully these European leaders and the new president will rebuild bridges and work towards establishing a Free Trade area from the Ukraine to Hawaii. We beat the Soviets by investing in on each other so I'm pretty csure we can overcome the Chinese with the same strategy. The goal of any future Cold War is to align more of the worlds population into your economic system and we can certainly speed this up by opening a Free trade area with the EU.

It is very naive to think Bush helped the transatlantic relationship. Remember, Liberals in Europe were in power only until very recently possibly b/c the European electorates wanted more solidarity with the US or perhaps because of Russia's temper tantrums atm...

Many in Europe still despise Bush. Do not forget that.
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We now have relative conservatives in power in Italy, France, Germany and I guess we could say in part, England.
And Canada, but what says these conservative parties are like the conservatives of the US? All of them are probably considered leftist in comparison.
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The Europeans might've elected more Atlanticists because of the alienation on both sides of the pond. The fact remains however that France and Germany, 2 of the 3 biggest power brokers in Europe are not helping us in Iraq. I would be skeptical of European Conservatism, remember these people were behind the Roman, French, British, German and Italian empires.

Conservatives in Europe generally are very anti-EU which is not a step in the right direction. The EU and US should be sort of a ying-yang type of setup to prevent one from doing something stupid. Hopefully these European leaders and the new president will rebuild bridges and work towards establishing a Free Trade area from the Ukraine to Hawaii. We beat the Soviets by investing in on each other so I'm pretty csure we can overcome the Chinese with the same strategy. The goal of any future Cold War is to align more of the worlds population into your economic system and we can certainly speed this up by opening a Free trade area with the EU.

It is very naive to think Bush helped the transatlantic relationship. Remember, Liberals in Europe were in power only until very recently possibly b/c the European electorates wanted more solidarity with the US or perhaps because of Russia's temper tantrums atm...

Many in Europe still despise Bush. Do not forget that.
with ref to your Dubya statement you are correct.

With ref to the UK conservatives, even Thatcher did not lick the arse of the loony christians to gain power, simply because they have no relevance to UK life.
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Isn't left/right conservative/lib very different accross the pond? My global politics is lacking here maybe someone can fill in the gaps.
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Let's add it up. We now have relative conservatives in power in Italy, France, Germany and I guess we could say in part, England. We have conservative economic policies in the Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. I'm being brief here.

AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS GOING TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE BUSH HAS DONE TO OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS?
You have an election soon, after listening to McCain when he came over here, Clinton seems more Conservative with her Thatcher like rhetoric!

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Isn't left/right conservative/lib very different accross the pond? My global politics is lacking here maybe someone can fill in the gaps.
Very, the left is represented by the Labour party of which my wife and I are members, the current leadership party is more centerist.

The right is represented by the Conservatives, the current leadership of the party is more centerist.

The center is represented by the Liberals who are being squeezed.

Dave Cammeron the leader of the Conservative party has cast himself as a man of the people with a social conscience.

Gordon Brown the leader of the Labour party is a man of the people with a social conscience.

Niether of the above will behave in the same way to your next president as that poodle Blair did.

I believe and there are a lot like me, who think we owe allegiance to Europe not the USA.

Iraq helped to polarise people's views towards America in Europe.

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You have an election soon, after listening to McCain when he came over here, Clinton seems more Conservative with her Thatcher like rhetoric!
There was no rhetoric about Thatcher - just ask all the mining communities throughout the midlands, northern england, whales and Scotland. There's just closed down Industry and unemployment.


Europe could do with some more US style conservatism - it has gone far too soft and lefty-liberal PC in the last few decades.
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There was no rhetoric about Thatcher - just ask all the mining communities throughout the midlands, northern england, whales and Scotland. There's just closed down Industry and unemployment.


Europe could do with some more US style conservatism - it has gone far too soft and lefty-liberal PC in the last few decades.
I said Thatcher "LIKE" rhetoric, did you see her on the Bill O'reilly fox news interview, very clever and Thatcher like.

Was the "whales" miss spelling in deferance to my dyslexia or to Spanky the Whale, if to Spanky you should have cited Skateland as well

You want to discuss Aitkin, Archer,the little pharoahs contribution to democracy in brown paper bags ect ect ect.

Maybe a bit further back to Victorian value's, you would get the pedo vote if you brought back child prostitution.

Or maybe you were refering to the one area that the catholic religion and protestant religion joined "glands" in Northern Ireland "Kincora Boys Club" for those not aware of the scandal of Kincora google it, in brief it was a boys home in a Republican area, which usually at any time was a no go area for Prod's, unless you wanted to bugger young boys.

With only about a third of a Million active religious people of any denomination in the UK, you better pray harder for your wish to come true
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I said Thatcher "LIKE" rhetoric, did you see her on the Bill O'reilly fox news interview, very clever and Thatcher like.

Was the "whales" miss spelling in deferance to my dyslexia or to Spanky the Whale, if to Spanky you should have cited Skateland as well

You want to discuss Aitkin, Archer,the little pharoahs contribution to democracy in brown paper bags ect ect ect.

Maybe a bit further back to Victorian value's, you would get the pedo vote if you brought back child prostitution.

Or maybe you were refering to the one area that the catholic religion and protestant religion joined "glands" in Northern Ireland "Kincora Boys Club" for those not aware of the scandal of Kincora google it, in brief it was a boys home in a Republican area, which usually at any time was a no go area for Prod's, unless you wanted to bugger young boys.

With only about a third of a Million active religious people of any denomination in the UK, you better pray harder for your wish to come true
Alot of wonderful inventions came from the Victorian age - an age of discovery!!

Today the child labourers are in India and not West Yorkshire.
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