Good news have become the exception in these dark days we live in and so I was very happy when I read that the brave people of Ireland were smart enough to reject the new EU constitution, the “Lisbon treaty”, which was not called a constitution so in order to get it through without that people in the member states, with the exception to Ireland, had to vote on it. This covered move was the logical undemocratic step after people in France and the Netherlands rejected the first constitution a couple of years ago. Letting the people of Europe vote to give it a democratic outlook was only on the table as long as they thought that the people would vote accordingly to their agenda. It is good to see that this move which is already as undemocratic as it can get has not brought success to the EU oligarchy, some say EUnuchs, and that the small population of Ireland with only something around 5 million people, hardly representative for all of Europe, has voted in the name and interest of over 500 million Europeans currently having to endure this new Soviet union. It was a close vote.

54% voted no
46% yes

But those EUnuchs apparently don’t care about what the people think and currently plan to repeat a referendum in Ireland after some changes at the constitution of only cosmetic nature and a large scale propaganda campaign focused on the small population of Ireland to make them believe that the (*)(*)(*)(*) they want to sell them is actually gold. EU is beneficial, bla bla, economic consequences, bla bla bla. People should get the idea, the same kind of spin they sold this new Soviet union with so far to the uninformed people. The illegal and deeply undemocratic nature of the whole EU scheme does not seem to trouble the EUnuchs just as long as they can keep the apparence of a legal union alive and by whatever means necessary get it through.

The thing is that the whole EU has no legal standing whatsoever since the BRD, the currently occupation regime in Germany, is no real state according to international law and that thus all contracts this non-state occupation regime ratified are NULL AND VOID! The fallowing is a ruling by the highest court of Germany.

Legally there never was a peace treaty between the German Reich, the representation of the German people, and the allied powers. We are still at war and the country is occupied since over 60 years. The Reich, founded by Bismarck in 1871, legally still exists as the legal representation of the will of the German people and was only rendered unable to exercise its sovereign rights by the still ongoing occupation. The current regime is nothing but an occupation construct designed to deny the German people the exercise of their sovereign rights as a people and to give the ongoing occupation and plundering of Germany the apparence of a legal character. Such a regime has legally no standing in international law and so, like I already pointed out, all contracts and treaties ratified by this regime are null and void. This goes for those treaties after the war which gave Eastprussia and Silesia to Poland to the Rome treaty which founded the EU. All just worthless paper without any binding legal character!

Source

__________________
In times of universal deceit the love of truth becomes the most radical of all ideologies.

Still a Caveman? - Your Mind is Controlled - The Brainwashing of the West - Your thoughts are not your own

Veritax Vox Liberabit

Are you saying that England is the real Reich, because of their history and such?
Anyway the Irish luck only comes once. Next time they wont vote. As you mentioned 1% cant decide for the 99%.

What have you experienced from the EU that bothers you?

__________________
Cowards die many times before their actual deaths.

I came, I saw, I conquered.

It is better to create than to learn! Creating is the essence of life.

France voted "NO" - on the constitution
Netherlands voted "NO" - on the constitution
Ireland voted "NO" - on the constitution, rewritten as a treaty

Most other countries, like Britain, have refused to give their population a referendum, because they know the population will vote "NO"



So when you say "1% can't decide for the 99%"

You are refering, of course, to the tiny minority of members of the EU parliment deciding against the wishes of the majority of the EU population.

When will the EU oligarchy understand "NO means NO" and stop trying to force a model of Europe on its people that they clearly do not want!


The EU experiment has gone way too far, it should just be a common market.

Foreign policy and defence are the responsibility of the Sovereign States and any alliances, such a NATO or any future alliance of Democracies, to which they are willing particiants.

__________________
Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

Well France it is what it is because of the Treaty of Rome back in 57'
Holland has a mountain of benefits that they have been busy reaping from the EU
And Ireland never been so prosperous...

Have all the 77million of people from those country's really gone thought the treaty??? I mean do they know the pros and cons???
In my opinion the EU was here to avoid major conflicts in Europe, and like it or not, it is working.

Comparing the Soviet CCCP to the EU i think its just laughable. After the 58 Hungary and Checz, it still survived somehow.... hahaha

__________________
Cowards die many times before their actual deaths.

I came, I saw, I conquered.

It is better to create than to learn! Creating is the essence of life.

Europe is where it is today because it brougt its people with it. They was convinced of the benifits and voted on entry to the Union.

Since the Maastricht Treaty they have moved away from the initial reason for the European Econmic Community (EEC) - the model that the population voted YES for.

Now they want Political Union, with econimic and forein policy run from Brussels, they want to remove the right of veto by member states.

There are some good points in the treaty particulary on trade and the removal of subsidies - but France is against them and will, as usual disobey the commision.

If the EU parliment can't win the debate and educate the population so that they see the benifits to what they intend to do - then that is their fault and you can't blame the people voting NO. Instead they will try and force it on everyone without allowing a vote.

True the EU is not the same as modern day Russia with its autocratic oligarchs - but it heading that way....

__________________
Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

Any political union will last till it is needed. Seems to me that all the members are enjoying more benefits than disadvantages. Although your neighbours seemed to reject it just because they can. The EU military wont work out because it will conflict with Nato. And the joint trade might be bad for some in the short run but it will equal out sooner or later, just depends of the success. Success is reciprocal with approval and the approval is strangely low by Ireland.

I just want to know what made them tick the no box...

__________________
Cowards die many times before their actual deaths.

I came, I saw, I conquered.

It is better to create than to learn! Creating is the essence of life.

The 3 main reasons

a) they ticked NO because they were unclear on the text of the treaty
b) loss of a permanent Irish commisioner
c) The farming community fears on the trade agreement


And if Britons had the vote they too would have voted NO

__________________
Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

Fixed that for you.

Don't you ever feel the urge to be part of something that is truly relevant on the world stage? Currently not only can the European nations do nothing militarily except as tag alongs for the US, but they aren't even very effective at utilizing diplomatic meausres such as sactions as a whole.

Or is it just that you don't like the details of how the EU would currently work?

__________________
Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

Your statements suggest that the path to relevency is to have a military that can coerce and punish others into doing or behaving as we want.

Its not very diplomatic to impose sanctions either, sanctions is a clean sounding word yet we know that sanctions can cause massive humanitarian crisis.

The world doesnt need another vehicle to bully folks into their idea of what the world should do and look like. The EU has mainly become a vehicle for ECONOMIC interests of large multi-national corps and trying to bend the worlds nations into forming themselves around the rules those large business interests prefer.

The EU is and has fast become a real dilemma because in many instances they cross the line and inteferre in a nations ablity to self determine.A member nation cant have a law that clashes with EU regulations. The EU does things on behalf of all member nations yet each nations citizens dont vote for those who are making decisions on their behalf. As we saw with this recent fiasco, most nations werent even given the chance to vote on the issue at all.

The EU is simply chipping away at peoples democratic rights and ability to PARTICIPATE in a democratic process.